Is It Really Moving?
Sometimes things are moving so slowly that you can’t believe that they are even moving at all. Well, We’ve seen this in the Precious Metals Sector over the past few days, but with the release of the Fed Minutes Wednesday, that just might change.
Since anything can happen with the release of the Fed minutes, I’m just doing a short review for Wednesdays update. For some reason, I do not expect today to be easy, it could get volatile. I was hoping that Miners would have run higher over the past few days, thus giving us room for a little rocking and rolling that could come from those Minutes being released. Instead we remain close to the lows. Gold could still do a quick shake out of the May ICL, and still reverse higher. It also may just take off higher from the lows. Like I said, this may not be easy, lets review the charts.
Reminder: Thursday the markets are closed in the U.S., and Friday is a 1/2 day of trading.
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USD – We had a swing high Monday on day 10 & 11 ( unconfirmed), but we saw no follow through to the downside on Tuesday. We have seen this action at minor tops before, so we’ll see what the release of the Fed Minutes does to the USD. Talk of a rate hike in December could roll it over.
WTIC – High volume reversal Tuesday, but Wednesday is the inventory report. Anything could happen here too, it is early in this daily cycle.
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GOLD, SILVER, & MINERS
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GOLD – Let’s compare what we have now in Gold to the MAY ICL again. Gold bottomed in May, lingered for 2 days , and then surged higher on day 3. We could be on day 2, Fed minutes day 3?
SILVER – Silver tried to pop higher 1 day before Gold did in May. It popped on day 2. Tuesday may be Day 2, and it popped, but was held back by the 8sma.
GDX – Notice that in the May ICL, Miners bottomed ahead of Gold & Silver. They spent 5 or 6 days at the lows in May, scaring buyers out. As GOLD & SILVER kept dropping, the Miners didn’t (Sounds like what I’m seeing right now). Miners were barely moving at the MAY ICL, then suddenly on day 6 it surged higher. We are lingering at the lows for days now too, but Wednesdays Fed Minutes might get things moving.
Conclusion: Many readers here have been with Chartfreak for a long time, and they’ve been through this bottoming process before. They’ve seen me walk and talk us through it by examining prior lows, looking at sentiment, cycle counts, and more. In the past, it would then take off upside and we all breath a sigh of relief. At this point, I have to still expect upside movement soon. Why? The set up has not changed and it does match other ICL (lows) and how I’ve seen Miners act at those lows. I know that it drives people crazy waiting for movement higher, so I too have to look around and see if ‘things’ within the short term picture are still leaning to the bullish side. Let’s take another quick look.
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NSU – Another Miner says, ” I don’t care if Gold is threatening the lows, I put my lows in in mid October, and I am out of here!”
PAAS – Continues higher with Silver & Gold at the low.
So Wednesdays Fed Minutes release could be the catalyst that lights the powder keg. This could be a big day for the Precious Metals sector. A warning is that Gold & Silver could drop down, run the May stops , and then reverse higher into the close. That would shake out just about every bull I know. Many have gone short, others have ‘super tight stops’. We’ll just have to wait & see what Today brings. That said, Wednesday could get tricky, Thursday the markets are closed in the U.S., we’ll see you for a 1/2 day of trading Friday. This should be over soon 🙂
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~ALEX
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REMINDER: These are older charts that I posted in reports2 weeks ago. These are continuing to break out and run higher. I thought that I would post a few older charts to show how they are performing, and then post a few that are setting up to break out now.
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CLF _ at $7.40 it had moved quite a bit that week, but you can see there is plenty of upside potential.
CLF – A Bull flag was pointed out Monday, and it did break out. The chart Above shows the upside potential.
AKS is actually now almost $9 now. The Steel stocks have been ripping higher. see X, STLD, ZEUS, etc.
FCX – Breaking out after running from under $10 to $14, this also has strong upside potential for longer term ‘buy & hold’ investors.
HBM broke from a bull flag Monday. Look how it “Based out’ in October. Many did this, and it seems that MINERS may be doing that now.
HBM – With this potential
CENX – This was a break out and could’ve been bought here for a longer term buy & hold. It is now at $11.
You can see how these have been running when they break upward. So lets look at a few laggers that may play catch up. These can be Buy & Hold for longer term investors. Please do some research and see how they are doing with their earnings, etc.
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SID – You may recall that we traded this in the spring, and once it got going, it took off! It is breaking out, but there are gaps. IF THE GAPS FILL, I will buy this. You will see that it actually looks like CLF did on the weekly chart, and may not drop to fill those gaps. This may just keep going.
SID WEEKLY – I like the potential on this set up longer term. If you bought and held this from the springtime when it was first recommended, you endured a rough ride.
GMO – So this is one just starting to move too. Moly stock at 32 cents, but the set up is looking healthy.
TGB Daily – This just broke out, gap filled and looks ready to move higher. It ran from $0.42 to $0.62
TGB WEEKLY – You can see the potential.
























Running the stops in gold!!!? Silver possibly won’t be far behind!
Dollar just shot higher as well. GDX/J will open at weekly lows if current price holds.
“weekly lows” – we’ve only had 2 days of trading.
You want to look at the November lows when Gold does a shake out of the May ICL
That’s right. I was watching miners try to base out this week, didn’t want to lose Monday lows. But I’m watching GDX/J, gold, silver for May, Oct, Nov lows all. Wait, I mean I’m at work!!
At this point I’m down to nothing but hope and blind faith. Hope is a method???!
Slamming the metals early. 830 right on cue. Now we wait and hope for the reversal.
Blind faith at this point, man. Just gonna hold my breath and not look for next few hours. Wish me luck.
New low for this move at 1196. What are we now on day 32? 33? So far miners still holding up with GDX at 20.85 pre market. This “feels” like the low.
Yes, I think day 33, and Breaking the May ICL ( hopefully to run the stops).
GDX / GDXJ still above the November lows.
the world is in order when metals get blitzed daily.. fun times
Perfectly normal market…..What happened at 830 anyway?
Well they have most definitely ‘run the May stops’ in gold now. Not quite there yet in silver! Now it’s waiting to see where we close out at the end of the day!! As Alex warned…’Wednesday could get tricky’!! It already has and US markets are not even officially open yet!!
Alex- without a bounce back today, would that be a problem for the cycle count? Some miners have pretty obvious bear flags that set up a pretty big drop. would you use 11/14 miner low as a stop?
I take each position individually. If there is a reversal later, one can always get back in, but if some bearmarket drop took over – it would not be something that you want to ride all the way down.
So far, this is acting like a shake out as seen at other times, but it will depend on how things play out today.
I’d rather not see GDX break the Nov 14 lows, and closing below there would make it difficult to justify holding on to positions with a holiday Thursday . Gold will continue to trade.
your last remark was something I was thinking about
any chance the reversal would not be today, but on Thursday / Friday ?
If we get a reversal on Thursday , when U.S. markets are closed, I will be absolutely convinced of greater manipulation than I even thought that there could be. : )
what was it than on election night ?
gold up, Euro up think 2 % ( Xchange market trading is wayyyyyyy bigger than stockmarket ) stockmarket down up so you can imagine how much money that night was lost and how much money was made by the clever ones : )
must be a gigantic amount maybe yep GIGANTIC
Yes, that was a HUGE reversal in the stock market. What was it …Dow down 900 in the futures near the open. Massive exchange of money there
BEAR MARKET? What?
easy pecos……..
Extremely unlikely. Historically – when a bull market re-emerges it lasts a whole lot longer than Jan lows to July highs. They tend to last for years.
I just NEVER say NEVER in the markets.
If the election of Trump, and spending on infrastructure, and so on spurs inflation ( And it should), that is good for Gold. Bullish. Gold still looks to be in Bull market. It looks to be running the stops, and Miners arent breaking recent lows yet.
So far, so good. Doesn’t FEEL good, but it is better than the alternative.
I’d like to see some Green miners by noon time ( eastern time)
I was just shocked. All I have been hearing is new BULL MARKET, not anything close to BEAR MARKET. What are you watching that will get you to sell everything?
Really? That thought never crossed your mind? This has been rough, real question is if the fundamental backdrop for rates and currencies globally has changed or not?
So ..selling everything here for a MAJOR loss….. but like Alex said cannot afford to ride this down further……kind of ruins my appetite for turkey since I feel like a major one now 🙁
We are all turkeys for not having hard stops. Mental ones don’t work in these conditions, you can always talk your self out of selling saying this could happen, or that will happen, or this is bullish, etc.
I had stops….. they all ran this morning in gap downs….
We should have all been stopped out on 11-10. Hell with core holdings, everything shoul dhave been sold on 11-10 when GDX broke below $23.64. IMHO
It’s easy to look back. Trading in real time, with REAL MONEY, is tough.
kissyKissy
Yep. I started to sell on Monday with the losses I had then….but I just had to hold in case it turned. Decided this morning not to do it again.
woulda coulda shoulda… hindsight 20:20
each individual must have their own plan…
Absolutely Maria. We are all individually responsible for our own investment decisions and ultimately for developing our own investment plans as well. It’s all too easy to look at what we’ll make if things go right but the real emphasis should be on how much will this hurt if it goes wrong, where will I get out and can I bear that kind of loss etc. I strongly suspect some of us at least are learning that lesson the hard way at the moment!! 🙁
😀 hi :o)
yes…
That does not help!! Some of us are sitting on some pretty serious losses now. You could at least post a sympathetic crying emoji or such
ok …. here have a good cry …
thennnnnn …………
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Dont freakn buy 3x!!!!
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3x is all I trade. nothing for about a week now. do you think this wave 2 can retrace 99%????
well .. that was a cason specific gif ;o)
as far as the retrace…. your guess is as good as mine…. i defer to KingFreakADeek … he’s the one with the crystal balls… oops .. i mean ball.
how’s 6.35 sound??
https://www.tradingview.com/x/MvzRFuNv/
It sounds like wave 3 is going to be a real money maker..have a good wild turkey day
Then hedge….
I never got the point of Hedging
I bet you do now…..
Ken if you were to hedge yesterday, which would have been a good idea, do you simply buy 1/3 the value of DUST? or do you have another strategy you could share?
That is a tough question to answer.
If you own Miners Buy GDX Put Options…60-90 days out…. sell when GDX has a swing in place.
I gave up my Hedge when GDX had a swing buy a few days ago so I am currently unhedged at the moment. Look at it as a short term Insurance policy on your positions …… cheap ins. imo.
Bill I have developed a unique way of handling my stops, because the only thing I hate more than warm beer is when the market makers come down and pick off a stop and then run away with it.
So I set two alert lines on my chart. One is yellow and it is close to where I would like to trigger a stop, maybe even aggressive and a little higher than where it should be, but it is theoretical and just there to give me a warning.
The other is red and it is a ways further down and is my hard stop.
Both of them have alerts so I see when the market goes through that price, but when it hits the yellow I have the chance to react and either move my hard stop up and get out or maybe stay out of the way if it looks like the market is making a turn back up.
At least this way I control my emotions. I will never ever enter a trade again without having stops in place and this little game I play with the stops seems to help control my emotions/greed/stupidity/blinded by the lights/gone skiing/can’t sleep etc.
I love a good plan in the trading arena
I might try that, thanks for sharing.
Thanks Bryam, makes sense. See attached, that’s where we should have had the stop
https://www.tradingview.com/x/vXVeLgcm/
just call me Ron or RB
I’m not selling .
AUMN down 2 pennies, GPL down 6 cents.
I think many are looking at this worng
GDX has not taken out the November lows.
Me Either. I may even add……
I am holding too. It looks ripe for a turn and I really think there is HUGE manipulation. The big guys are playing…makes me sick.
And the huge volume dosn’t reflect the amount of selling
I don’t understand…?
This is all high speed trading algorithms running the market and skimming fractions of a penny in trades that go by in a blink of a nano second.
I hate this nano second bull—-!
I know what you’re talking about, I’ve read about it.
I just do not think you can be so sure that this is what that is. This can be more than nano trading and fractional trading. That is done daily on the way up & down.
I just did…..sold all at losses….I held several years ago and still had some from then I was hoping to recoup….I am out. I think I am done with gold.
Maybe trading off the weekly would be beneficial???
Sorry for your loss. Don’t get fixated on anything, be flexible, the market has a way of humbling everyone. Sounds like we are getting closer to a bottom though.
I’m so sorry for your losses. I have been taking losses voluntarily for tax purposes but I always hate it . I’m holding for now but it makes me ill.
I’m preserving capital this time…..lost all I had gained this year but that’s it, at least I have what I started with : ) 🙂 I plan on gaining it back! Just didn’t want to ride down any further….
I might not gain it back trading gold…..I think the most I will do is jump in and out of JNUG for very very quick moves…..when the time comes…not sure I will ever hold again…..:)
I understand. I also like the business itself of mining so I like to hold some longer term. I have one with huge losses for long ago [Silvercorp] ..funny but I got a notice of a dividend this morning. Made me laugh. Which I needed.
John Oliver had a hilarious piece about 2016 …. that involved a lot of f/u’s. I think that will be the toast at the Thanksgiving table this year 🙂 (was going to post but just google “John Oliver Toast 2016”
LABU huge drop and reversal! Thanks Ann for pointing out the possible HS pattern
https://www.tradingview.com/x/oPCr2eOQ/
no problem ; )
It was discussed many times the last few weeks that a wave 2 correction in Metals could hit 62% Fib. Retrace !
GDX hit 61.8% fibo on 11-14. This move down wasn’t totally unexpected, just painful.
Not even an hour in yet, and JNUG volume is over 12 MM
GDX almost 24 mill
That might be NUGT???
There go my stops. Let us know if and when you see a bottom Alex. Lost a whole year of trading since the election! I don’t know what to do.
Were you leveraged?
Unfortunately
Bummer, I have done that too – wipe out good gains with leverage. The move down with leverage doesnt have to be that big, but the leverage amplifies it. Yes, This is one of the only times that I use tighter stops . The 3x etfs take the gains back 3x as fast.
Buying the OCT lows in GDX and holding to now is a drop from $23 to $20. In JNUG / NUGT it was almost cut it half. huge difference sideways and on the way down.
Or options just die on the vine.
We really should be seeing a low today, if this is a shake out. GDX lows still have not been taken out.
From there, confirmation of a low and a solid move higher out of what should be a yearly cycle low will help.
While the worst case is playing out, this is still within the stop run scenario discussed. This is the yearly cycle low. Dollar, yen, all stretched to extremes. Someone is buying all those sell orders. We are close. Just my two cents. And believe me – I am feeling the pain in a big way. Just think we will move from oversold to overbought in gold in the coming weeks and months – like it always does.
I like your positive attitude. I just looked at stocks that I own. I am down a bunch like the rest seem to be. It is fair to call it a bloodbath. But I checked all of the stocks I own and all but one have held their Nov lows. My worst one, AXU, is down 11%, and close to breaking its Nov low, but hasn’t (maybe it will). On the negative side, all of them are below their 50 dema. What would be optimal, of course, would be to see a bunch of hammers form during the day.
I just checked AXU and it is only -10% and has held so far. Let’s hope others join in.
Gary
This is what I am seeing.
It is moving now….down
GDX close to breaking to a new low, but so many Miners only down ( I know, doesn;t seem like only) 5-8%
I am puzzled. Below you infer that we should consider clearing out if GDX breaks the Nov low. However, in earlier posts it seems like that was desirable because stops have been run. Thanks.
GDX already broke MAY ICL . It doesnt need to break Nov lows, because Nov lows broke the May lows. Gold & SIlver hadn’t yet.
All I was saying below was ” It is hard to stay in position if GDX CLOSES below the lows, because markets are closed Thursday ( but Gold isnt).
I am saying it is hard to justify holding on with a close lower, because it could gap down further Friday if gold drops Thursday while markets are closed.
Am I seeing ugly blood shed? Its odd, AUMN, GPL, TRX- they are not trading as though they believe this sell off in Gold is the end of a bull. Others are holding the Nov lows too.
un-Leveraged positions seem like a normal pull back. Leverage has been dangerous without stops.
Thanks.
On a happy note, my MJNA is up 2 cents. 🙂 Of course, it’s still a little red in my account…….but….
HUI took out nov low. and looks like more down likely
Right or wrong, last night I decided not to move my stops up so I could give them some wiggle room. As a result the only one that has been hit was EDV.TO. This is a really solid african miner with good fundamentals, so I may take another ride on it when things start going our way.
I dont’ see GDX as a bear flag. I see it as a pennant. We should be moving higher????? A fake out move lower is not uncommon, but this is ridiculous. Does anyone know the reliability % of pennant patterns? GDX double bottom?
0%. It’s gold miners it’s always 0%
More like a bearish pennant. Have had two similar breakdowns since Sept. It’s below the Nov lows though and just took out an 4/6 gap a few minutes ago…….everything below seems too much of a reach for this move IMHO….
It’s odd, I hold Juniors like AUMN, TRX, NAK, GPL in pretty good size since I’ve accumulated over the entire run higher out of the Jan lows. I’m losing money today obviously, but…
They are not selling off to the same degree that GOLD & SILVER do when I look at the charts.
Yes, GOLD & SILVER take center stage and look like they are crashing, but they aren’t dragging down AUMN? GPL? GSV? NSU? very much. They’re down 1-4%
Most of the other Miners ( AUY, NG, NGD, ABX, NEM, RGLD, BTG, AG, EGO, CDE, PAAS, etc are down 5-7% ( some 8-9%) , but we see that on normal days. I’m not being stopped out of anything yet – the lows aren’t taken out yet.
GDX – it is selling down near the lows, so I look at GG, ABX, NEM. So far GG is not healthy, ABX looks good, NEM average.
I’m not trying to be overly bullish, but HUGE volume in GDX and the drop is NOT as big as everyone seems to think. I have a feeling many are basing comments on leveraged positions.
so you’re buying or close to buy nugt jnug now ?
Oh, I want to 🙂 , but I’d probably get stopped out unless it was just a quick day trade
I’m going to watch things a bit more today ( Fed Minutes arent even out yet, that could get fun again).
Agree !!!
Can’t you just picture a bounce here, Fed Minutes drops everything to morning lows. ugh!! 🙂
Or…..reverses the days losses 🙂
There was no ‘double like button’ – bit if there was….
WHO WILL BUY THIS LOW ???
Even the drop form Oct lows in GDX at $22.50 to the Nov lows was $20.13. That is Normal, very normal.
People are saying that the Miners are acting ridiculously. I am puzzled. Miners are resisting a thrashing that GOLD & SILVER are taking, many only down 4-7 %. I’ve seen that with Gold green – lol
If
one was leveraged however, NUGT lows in OCT were $11.09 to $7.30.
That is a drop of over 34% – that does hurt. Or buying it on a bounce
in October and riding it down could be a 50% cut.
This pullback
remains normal to what I see at bottoms (ICL ). I ‘ll point this out
on a chart in the future and people will say
” I could have easily
loaded the boat at the bottom and tripled my money!” ….Again like at the Jan lows.
Thanks for the analysis and completely taking the emotion out. Very very highly appreciated. I am loaded pretty heavy in miners but I am holding and have not sold one bit. I basically have been adding since beginning of November
I still havent sold, Using Nov lows as mental stops, some arent even close.
GDX Nov lows was $ 20.13…it dropped to $20.14 and then moved right up to $20.50. Could be shorts starting to take cover, time will tell.
A little more follow through and we may start to see a reversal forming. One could only hope, right : )
one cent… crazy right?
Too crazy.
So in the back of my mind I’m saying, ” Is this a mid day bounce to suck Bulls back in saying,
it didnt break the lows”, and then down it goes again to run those stops after the Fed minutes release??
Who Knows….This is a crazy market
exactly… and as a Waver — im thinkin .. hmmmm 99% of 1……. how convenient it stopped dead there.
yeah, right? Such a random number ( or not).
I’m not. In fact, I’m never doing this again. I’d rather just get locked out like I did last year and find the next trade. Gonna have to change my trading philosophy for the future. My plan just did not work.
Cas… check my chart above/below,, and tell me would you buy DUST here,… or sell?
Right.
I saw you post yesterday that you were holding JNUG and I was really surprised . I thought that part of your trading plan was no more 3x etfs , those can suck the life out of you if you hold them too long.
If this is the lows, I do expect those to double, maybe triple, but the ride down is as brutal as the ride up is exhilarating.
I’m not leveraged and I really like hearing you talk like this Alex. So very much appreciated to hear your calm and analytical voice:)
I understand Kathleen – The ICL is the hardest thing to endure in trading, but the rewards ( If we are at an ICL) are amazing. The most profitable trades I make all year are the first 2 daily cycles out of an ICL – even if I enter a tad early and have to take a few bumps.
All the rest of the gains that I make are mid way moves like Energy or FCX, AKS, X, etc when they start running and we buy the pullbacks.
Plus I always leave cash on hand until we get the confirmed wing low in place.
I just don’t understand why we keep dropping, though. We should have had ICL by now and then we think we have few days base and the rug gets pulled out again. This is completely nuts. And living it real time vs the charts from the past is completely different. You got that right. I’m sure they’ll be Bulls on ST in 3 weeks talking about good they did bc it was “easy” and “there the whole time”. And I’ll call BS on all of them.
I am a cynic. I have seen the manipulations and positioning the heavy hands do to take their positions at a very bottom bottom they create so they can have the most gains. This is their playing field. If I am wrong, I will be crying next week. I don’t think I will be. But, if not…I will be even more cynical for next time.
Thanks to you I’ve got a bunch of FCX long term. Let me tell you, August I forcing myself not to look at it. Wasn’t easy! (I’d insert an “understatement” emoji here if I could lol!)
Me too.
YES! I saw the metals stocks doing their own consolidation. That would have been very difficult to hold on to. Now it looks like a good break out.
BAA sold off hard down to Nov Lows, reversed, , and just turned green.
NSU, Just turned green
GPL, now only down 3 cents.
here is a 21month daily indicator for DUST… draw your own conclusions
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SOG not sure but Dust is around 58 where you have 31.69
something missing here ?
its an indicator not a price chart… soz if you were confused
values arent relevant anyway, but the big shape is
k thanx
It’s going to $1000 by next week. I buy the breakout.
LOL – Hey, did you get early release for the holiday? Why arent you working?
hahaha! 🙂 🙂
when did you say you were starting up that contrarian-indicator newsletter Cas? 🙂
Thanksgiving sale starts this weekend. I send real time trade alerts to phone then members short against my portfolio. Subs make mounds of money. I use the fees to offset my losses. Everybody wins!
Amazing, SOG, thanks
PAAS is really strong, also rgld maybe the two next buys next week!
Both PAAS and GPL are above their 50 demas. Others I own are not that good yet.
I just saw GPL go green ( in my account) , and NAK bounced off of the 10sma and is recovering too.
I ran away, forced myself to stop watching…had lunch. Came back and I am a lot less in the red than I was when I left. Good. Plus GDX [heading for 45 mill shares] has moved off the lows….for now. Checked my acct and only KGC and CDE have loss over 7%. I have 36 positions, mostly gold. I have had worse losses that this recently. I think this is the blood/streets thing.
I just happened to check. Pot stocks are arising. SINO up 43% – hope someone owns it.
SoG’s call on URRE is looking good, up 8% on the day. I own it.
sweet! i only jst noticed it was up that much in last 10mins..
hoping this isnt just B of an ABC correction.
Pessimist!
its infectious at the moment 🙂
TRQ up almost 1 %
copper stock
I think that is a copper. FCX is up 6.5%.
look at ngd, also strong
Nice volume on the hourly too. Daily is a doji, but should become a hammer with more rally.
treasuries look like they might be putting in a turn around today- that should help since miners and treasuries seem to trade in sync
cup and handle on AMRS weekly? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/261afaf7895371e6c740b54cb9e5c1599da855b8b2439e41bb9396effb275dad.png
Beautiful catch!
now let’s see if it works out!
What just happened to nat gas?
storage report came out at noon EST today due to holiday tomorrow
Oh Thanks : )
An optimist might be looking for an inverse head and shoulders to be forming on the miners intraday ; )
Nat. Gas working on a wave 2 correction……currently wave b up, c down upcoming.
what time frame?
Daily
I just looked this up from the NYSE: *Each market will close early at 1:00 p.m. (1:15 p.m. for eligible
options) on Friday, November 25, 2016 and Friday, November 24, 2017 (the
day after Thanksgiving). Crossing Session orders will be accepted
beginning at 1:00 p.m. for continuous executions until 1:30 p.m. on
these dates. All times are Eastern.
Alex, re my note below, does Yellen speak before the close?
No.
Minutes release at 1400. No speaking, just text. Next schedule press conference is after the FOMC 13-14 Dec mtg where she will announce and defend a 1/4 rate hike!
Thanks, Cason.
Just release of their last meetings minutes – sometimes what they said and what she said becomes clearer.
2 p.m. Eastern I think
GPL is flat and I have a daily buy on it – also own it.
NSU – Again, says ” I do not believe this Gold sell off”
My TC2000 classifies this as copper and all the coppers are up. FCX up 6.8%.
Are you looking at CANADIAN NCU ?
NSU is copper/Gold?Zinc
Nevsun
Resources Ltd. is a Canadian, mid-tier, copper-producing, mining
company headquartered in Vancouver, BC. Initially founded as an
exploration company in 1965, the company did not explore Africa until
the mid-1990s. Wikipedia
refresh –
!/4 million oz of gold and 8 million OZ silver Mostly Copper Silver profits ( EDIT – Sorry That is ZINC , not Silver that was most profitable)
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Good drill results announced yesterday on the lower zone of the Timok copper-gold project. NSU acquired this project when it purchased Reservoir Minerals about 6 months ago. (I’ve owned it for awhile).
Its a good set up at this point.
Maybe the new Trump infrastructure ambitions really are pushing these Metals higher.
Basically went sideways for years, but could break out on a weekly chart and finally just make some solid gains.
NSU bought Reservoir Minerals including world-class Timok project (biggest European copper discovery in last few decades) when copper was at 6 year low. Purchased it at good price. The recent rise of copper combined with good drill results contribute to move from recent lows.
Well, I enjoyed losing an absolute crap-ton of money with you guys today. Lunch is over, back to work. Stay classy, CF. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/16c39add254b69c693f166fe0114b2fccf0c754a49957e2b07bd3e643c775258.png
…..The road is long …..With many a winding turn
Alex, I know anything can happen and that $SI is also an industrial metal but I would have thought that $Si would have been crushed today with the drop in $GC (it’s actually doing better than $GC). Any thoughts? Or am I using hope to justify my crazy positions…woudn’t be the first time. 🙂
I was expecting it to take out the May lows if Gold did too, so I’m not sure why it held up a little better.
FED news a non event? They had already indicated might raise in December….so….no real surprises?
Yes – market views it as non-event. No real change in language.
GSV (I own) and NAK are flat. NAK has come a long way from negative today.
same story as some of the other miners – it is also a copper mine ( besides gold and silver) – like TRQ – Nevsun
so the reason why it’s holding is maybe for that reason ……
Suddenly quiet here, think everybody is working on his/her Turkey meal
over here just a regular working day ….
Nothing else to say. Had cried and blabbered and whined enough already.
KEN
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THANKS for your incredible input ALEX, especial such a day as today!!!
You win the price for all my previous subscription.
Have a blessed thanks giving to Him in the first place, sec. to your family.
Again…. thanks Alex.
Thanks Geurt – always with the kind words.
Ok, I’m with Guert here. I don’t know how you stay cool, collected, and analytical on a day like today. I clearly didn’t show it in may comments, but your intra-day posts where quite calming. Thank you. I have had other writers who would honestly hide on a day like today.
just ur bff ken .. or …..
😉 shazamm
+8% on a day like today….. 🙂
Alex- if you look at a daily chart of dust over the past yr, doesn’t it look like a rounding bottom about to break out?
maybe not a full year, 9 months or so or you can barely read the chart : )
Well, it is a different kind of animal all together.
No fundamentals, no profits, etc.
It is also designed to go to zero, so they do reverse splits 1 or 2 times a year.
alex- at what point do we have to revaluate.. price action is clearly going against us in gdx. i am not sure how much more of this i can handle as it seems like we continue to wait for a move that won’t happen.
If you are leveraged, you dont want to be. IF one feels that this might not be the lows, you can step out, and always get back in after confirmation lows come in
At this point, as I look at many of the Miners discussed in past report, they are still not breaking down below the Nov Lows at this point, so I’m kind of just watching things individually. Some Miners are not holding up as well.
HMY – Bad
DRD – Good
GPL – Green
PAAS – off of lows
AUMN is down by 2 cents, but others are down 4-8 %.
My stocks are not breaking the lows, I’m watching things going into the close, but for me, I still see things as pointed out in the reports. . I would have liked to see GOLD drop & recover all in 1 day, but unfortunately that is not happening as of now.
Some may want to lighten up if they went in too heavy and cant take the selling. I feel like the market is putting in a major low, but I can’t ask people not to honor their stops. I have always said that stops should be in place and honored, and position size is key. Also using leverage is a personal decision and is always very tricky near lows (Volatility) .
The decision should be made before the market close how you want to be positioned going into a holiday while Gold still trades overseas. I am not being stopped out of my current positions, I’m probably going to remain positioned, with cash and see where we are Friday. At this point, I am pretty heavily positioned, I was expecting the lows in this area.
i am not levered so thats not an issue..but these things are not acting at all bullish as a group.. goro was great and than we walked into a down 25 percent day and the outperformance gonzo. this is the 2nd cycle in a row we expected a move up and have not had it..to me it means something is wrong. i am not levered so can ride out the volatility and buy weakness but i have to point out the elephant in the room and thats that the sector is listless esp as the materials like iron ore are ripping and please overlay them tog.
Right, it is a matter of timing. So refresh and have a look at this chart. This is what I think may be happening. There are still rallies out of the lows, but they act differently in long whippy consolidations.
I have to wonder if we are in this stage of the Bull Makrket. I didn’t expect this stage until next summer.
We should be very late in the daily cycle, so a low should be here, but the pullback is not acting as steady or as healthy as when we came out of the 2000 lows. Back then, Miners would overall pull back 38% – 50% on the way higher for the first solid year or more. It wasn’t until about the 2003 – 2005 area . That is when it got very volatile and shaky.
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SO we would still get ICL’s, but the pull back is deeper than expected , and the rallys should be sold, since the next dip can look like the above chart inside of the red boxes
I’m still not exactly sure that this is what we are seeing here, but it seems to be a deeper selling period than the first part of the Bull.
Ok fair enough and I sure hope it rallies soon. I bought to early and now taking gas.. thankfully not levered and have plenty of powder left to add tho unsure if I can pull the trigger anyway. Happy holidays and enjoy the time off.
These sell offs are B-R-U-T-A-L when we get positioned and they sell down.
I put a chart above, showing that even moves out of bear market ICLs were profitable.
Your positioned ( you are not leveraged) will probably do well in the future, we just need to get a move out of the lows. Plus I still think that we are in a Bull market.
I learned a long time ago no leverage and no margin and always always keep a little cash for the extra stretched opportunities. Thx again!
That chart looks terrible, you could go almost 2 Years at one point and not make any money. With leverage, you’d lose money. In a “bull”.
You just gotta wonder if the Minutes were known before 2pm…….
I took over about 40% of my exposure off the table – crazy, I may have purged the best but they all seem to be moving up and down at about the same price. The overall loss on the 40% was 1.5% and the rest I’m holding have much worse losses, but at least if we keep going down I have cut the bleed rate. Risk management first, profit second. I have 6 names left and that is more than enough to manage.
The part of that plan that I like is that you do still have some skin in the game, but as you called it – The bleed rate has been reduced.
I still have to believe that cycle timing is pointing at a trade-able low in this area.
Even the bear market rally was excellent in the first 2 daily cycles . You can look back and see that they were good moves higher and we must be close to a low in Gold on day 33.
I’ve been reading the older reports and saw that you had success trading in bear market conditions.
It’s so much harder, you really can only trade the ICL and the 2nd daily cycle for about 2 weeks each to lock in gains.
Right, it was sort of my plan all along to take a very hard look at where this first daily cycle started to peak and then make a decision to probably exit the trade. This little fed induced hysteria just before a holiday weekend messed with the risk management side of things. I’m not a big fan of Trump bombastic style, but I hope he stops the Fed from playing these games. They could have easily increased interest rates at a steady .005% per month and everyone would have know what was going on and no one would be getting jerked around with this ongoing drama.
I cut back last Friday then got sucked back in when we stabilized only to get whacked today. Ugh. Should have waited longer, otherwise essentially had same plan as you discussed.
This is a chart that I quickly threw together,. (Refresh)
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What I am showing is that even in Bear Markets, the ICL would produce 2 daily cycles higher, and then roll ver.
I still expect an ICL in this area, and then 2 daily cycles should tell us where we are, but this is why I am not selling everything into the close..
Please lighten up if you feel anymore downside would kill you, but I have done this before, My positions are still above Nov lows, some above OCt lows, I am going to wait for the ICL at this point.
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These were Bear Market Rally – I am under the impression that we are still in a Bull market seeking out a yrly cycle low. Day 33.
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or maybe this …?
https://www.tradingview.com/x/MvzRFuNv/
Can ‘2’ do that?
But I like that it has an end soon : )
in my world of counting.. yup. ;o)
I watched a Free webinar today given by EW International….. astonishingly enough, they have “revised” EW rules from 1930s to account for the modern day markets… crazy news to me .. but makes sense that you wouldnt be “driving a car from 1930s” as they say… heres a snippet of their changes …
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speechless
Hallo Maria, happy thanksgiving!
Concerning the elliott Wave Theory I think the adjustments make sense for me, but we have to proof.
The problem with Elliot is always the correct count in different time frames. And as always with all the utilities to try to look into the future,
we have to work with probabilities and have to accept that nobody can look into the future.
Let´s come to gold. The probabilty is high, if we get a 3dc below 1200 of the december gold future, that we have a trend change and this downtrend could last until 1050. So I would only buy rgld, ngd and paas if we can come back above 1200.
I am 100% in cash since 4 weeks now and wait until everything calms down, so we can make more rational decisions. In crazy times like elections, you come close to the casino. I cannot handle it.
What do you think about this? Sorry about my english, it´s Austrian english.
2 can not go higher than 1 or in a downtrend lower than 1
i m not an expert in EW but that’s one of the only rules I know for sure
sorry
I’d shift your 1 over to the Sep drawdown, 2 of 2 becomes a flat, 3 is an absolutely waterfall, 4 was our Oct shitty bounce, 5 is our current face-hammering.
So, thought of something. This whole time I was operating under the impression that we were still in major 1, potentially ending Intermediate 2, and starting wave 3. But is there any way we got all 5 up already and this was a Major 2 versus the lesser degree Intermediate??? Idk, prolly not, what ‘chu think. I expected to hit Primary 2 next summer which would be doldrums very similar to watch CF posted in chat today. Then primary 3 would take gold eventually to new highs in 2018. But then this pullback was so much greater than what we expected based on Jan ’16 on, so maybe that wave count is now out???
I think we will get an answer very soon. If it’s a bull market it has to be a v-shaped reversal.
Bear-Trap…. I agree with you, Alex -what I understand- says the same !!!
It Was a Great Day…..
We will go up very soon, my guts is saying it.
It could take until March to know, maybe. We either set a higher high or we don’t. If we have a lower high then we all know what is next.
Interesting if you just look across the bottom at the full stoch in isolation. Really makes Jan-May look special. Too bad the bulls fumbled this one away.
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Dont really know what to say.. its starting to look like Nov/Dec of 2015.
these divergences dont always play out
Yes, I am absolutely questioning everything. I can’t imagine that the election changed that many things on a dime. The man won’t even be in office for another 2 months and it’s not like US Gov’t is quick to change/pass laws. But with risk assets up like this and the $$ this strong there is absolutely of fundamental reason to hold any whatsoever. I agreed with the original technical picture, but that has now been proven wrong.
Happy Thanksgiving friends :o) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ead0673f1e0724116b4cc07627295f5a9e344afd9634c90dbc5f1ceac2fe96d3.gif
Back at ya. We’ve had a few tough days, but we have so much to be grateful for, and being part of this group is one of them.
Agree.
*welllll …. mossssst of the time … ahem coughcough Bill cough ;o)
#HB
Have a great Thanksgiving. See you all on Friday.
You too! Eat well and be happy!
Please let Friday be better!! It’s gonna take a lot of turkey (and BEER!) to wash this taste out of my mouth.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Cherish the time with family and friends! 🙂
I can’t afford a turkey anymore. I’m just gonna have Ramen.
Happy Thanksgiving Cason!
Thanks, boss. I don’t know how you stay positive right now, but you keep doing you, Johnny. It’s working!
Come on over here and have some of ours! 🙂 How close are you to Alabama? 🙂 🙂
I’m in DC-BAL, Turkey might get cold before I get there. I still have some grass in the back yard I can munge on.
Happy Thanksgiving…enjoy tomorrow!
Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Enjoy the day. Better days are coming here!
Thanks, Carl. It can’t get any worse. Just can’t.
don’t want to sound negative before this holiday , but the 19$ area on GDX is right around the corner .
NAK has done 76% since Nov 4th, why is that my smallest position?
It was pretty speculative. Really could have gone the other way, but yeah, always seems to work that way, right? I got scared out of my NAK last week. And it’s the one stock that didn’t nose dive into the crapper. So good that something is working for you!
Happy Thanksgiving CF and everyone:) I hope you all enjoy a great day with friends and family. CF, again I really do appreciate the great work you do every single day here. I must agree with Carson’s post below that I am especially thankful for your dedication in staying at the helm and reading the tea leaves on difficult and volatile days like today.
Thank you Kathleen. Happy Thanksgiving to you and all the good folks at chartfreak. I feel very blessed to have an online family that I feel a part of. I can’t wait till we all are super wealthy flying in our private jets to visit one another, go over charts and have a beverage! Have a great holiday!!!!!!!!!
Shit, I don’t have enough anymore fly a paper airplane, bro. Hope your Holiday was alright.
I’m trying to take turkey day off from this screen even though the Canadian exchange is still open. After 2 hours of trading on thin volume here’s where some of the gold miners are: AGI -1.19%, AKG +2.44%, ELD -1.12%, AU (FR.TO) -.27%,
GSV – 1.97%, GUY -.71%, IAG -1.24% and ZJG which is similar to GDXJ +.25%
But we’ll open back in the gutter tomorrow. I should have ejected my entire portfolio and sat in fat piles of cash 2 weeks ago. 🙁 🙁 🙁
I thought I would be the only one here today..
They are not even waiting until 830 am to smash gold. Down 17 in early trading. Ugh.
Yeah, I just got on here to take a peek and saw the price….sheesh.
There is nothing, absolutely nothing that can be done until after the Fed raises rates in about 3 more weeks. Very oversold, cycle, count is late, but I see now choice but to sell any futile pop we get. I’d get out of any positions we can, and hedge strongly any you have to hold. The bull isn’t strong enough to front run. We got the first ICL incorrect and this one is late and expected to be weak. Save yourselves, run for the hills!!! Go short!! Apocalypse!!!
Until the yen free fall stops – no chance gold bottoms.
That’s a relationship that sometimes works well and other times is non-existent. During the early 90’s the Yen was on a tear and gold moved sideways, then between 1999-2007 the Yen consolidated sideways while gold tripled in price. I am not saying that it is not relevant but rather to be careful not to stick to “one way of thinking” because these relationships/analogues can switch on a dime
Yes, true but with $/Yen right now until there is at least a short-term trend change, we’re all just pissing our money away.
well $1180 broke…and so am I. I’m done with $GC for now. Admit defeat, lick wounds and maybe play another day. Giving up on hoping “hope” is a strategy. Enjoy the night all!
Hope is all that I have had left for weeks now. And now this is gone. I haven’t felt like this since the middle of the bear.
Just a guess, if by the New York open we have recovered tonight’s loses, odds will greatly increase that the lows are in, in gold and miners may not look back at all.
Sing it, brother. 1178-1180 was STRONG support through the bear until finally broken fall 2015. Could be an important low again. Back to Hope!
I’m working on a report right now. It’ll definitely be out in the A.M. by 7 a.m. Eastern, but maybe tonight if you’re being a night owl.