Is It Really Moving?

Sometimes things are moving so slowly that you can’t believe that they are even moving at all. Well, We’ve seen this in the Precious Metals Sector over the past few days, but with the release of the Fed Minutes Wednesday, that just might change.

 

Since anything can happen with the release of the Fed minutes,  I’m  just doing a short review for Wednesdays update. For some reason, I do not expect today to be easy, it could get volatile. I was hoping that Miners would have run higher over the past few days, thus giving us room for a little rocking and rolling that could come from those Minutes being released. Instead we remain close to the lows. Gold could still do a quick shake out of the May ICL, and still reverse higher. It also may just take off higher from the lows.  Like I said, this may not be easy, lets review the charts.

Reminder: Thursday the markets are closed in the U.S., and Friday is a 1/2 day of trading.

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USD – We had a swing high Monday on day 10 & 11 ( unconfirmed), but we saw no follow through to the downside on Tuesday. We have seen this action at minor tops before, so we’ll see what the release of the Fed Minutes does to the USD.  Talk of a rate hike in December could roll it over.

usd-11-22

WTIC – High volume reversal Tuesday, but Wednesday is the inventory report. Anything could happen here too, it is early in this daily cycle.

wtic-11-22

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GOLD, SILVER, & MINERS

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GOLD – Let’s compare what we have now in Gold to the MAY ICL again.  Gold bottomed in May, lingered for 2 days , and then surged higher on day 3. We could be on day 2, Fed minutes day 3?

gold-11-22

SILVER – Silver tried to pop higher 1 day before Gold did in May. It popped on day 2. Tuesday may be Day 2, and it popped, but was held back by the 8sma.

silver-11-22

GDX – Notice that in the May ICL, Miners bottomed ahead of Gold & Silver. They spent 5 or 6 days at the lows in May, scaring buyers out. As GOLD & SILVER kept dropping, the Miners didn’t (Sounds like what I’m seeing right now). Miners were barely moving at the MAY ICL, then suddenly on day 6 it surged higher. We are lingering at the lows for days now too, but Wednesdays Fed Minutes might get things moving.

gdx-11-22

 

Conclusion:  Many readers here have been with Chartfreak for a long time, and they’ve been through this bottoming process before. They’ve seen me walk and talk us through it by examining prior lows, looking at sentiment, cycle counts, and more. In the past, it would then take off upside and we all breath a sigh of relief.  At this point, I have to still expect upside movement soon.  Why?  The set up has not changed and it does match other ICL (lows) and how I’ve seen Miners act at those lows. I know that it drives people crazy waiting for movement higher, so I too have to look around and see if ‘things’ within the short term picture are still leaning to the bullish side.  Let’s take another quick look.

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NSU – Another Miner says, ” I don’t care if Gold is threatening the lows, I put my lows in in mid October, and I am out of here!”

nsu-11-22

 

PAAS – Continues higher with Silver & Gold at the low.

paas-11-22

  So Wednesdays Fed Minutes release could be the catalyst that lights the powder keg.  This could be a big day for the Precious Metals sector. A warning is that Gold & Silver could drop down, run the May stops , and then reverse higher into the close.  That would shake out just about every bull I know.   Many have gone short, others have ‘super tight stops’. We’ll just have to wait & see what Today brings.  That said, Wednesday could get tricky, Thursday the markets are closed in the U.S., we’ll see you for a 1/2 day of trading Friday. This should be over soon  🙂

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~ALEX

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REMINDER:  These are older charts that I posted in reports2 weeks ago.  These are continuing to break out and run higher. I thought that I would post a few older charts to show how they are performing, and then post a few that are setting up to break out now.

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CLF _ at $7.40 it had moved quite a bit that week, but you can see there is plenty of upside potential.

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CLF – A Bull flag was pointed out Monday, and it did break out.  The chart Above shows the upside potential.

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AKS is actually now almost $9 now. The Steel stocks have been ripping higher. see  X, STLD, ZEUS, etc.

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FCX – Breaking out after running from under $10 to $14, this also has strong upside potential for longer term ‘buy & hold’ investors.

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HBM broke from a bull flag Monday. Look how it “Based out’ in October. Many did this, and it seems that MINERS may be doing that now.

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HBM –  With this potential

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CENX – This was a break out and could’ve been bought here for a longer term buy & hold. It is now at $11.

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You can see how these have been running when they break upward.   So lets look at a few laggers that may play catch up. These can be Buy & Hold for longer term investors. Please do some research and see how they are doing with their earnings, etc.

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SID – You may recall that we traded this in the spring, and once it got going, it took off!  It is breaking out, but there are gaps.  IF THE GAPS FILL, I will buy this.  You will see that it actually looks like CLF did on the weekly chart, and may not drop to fill those gaps.  This may just keep going.

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SID WEEKLY –  I like the potential on this set up longer term. If you bought and held this from the springtime when it was first recommended, you endured a rough ride.

sid-wkly

GMO –  So this is one just starting to move too. Moly stock at 32 cents, but the set up is looking healthy.

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TGB Daily – This just broke out, gap filled and looks ready to move higher. It ran from $0.42 to $0.62

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TGB WEEKLY – You can see the potential.

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Those are just a few ideas in a sector that has been performing well.

249 replies
        • Cason
          Cason says:

          That’s right. I was watching miners try to base out this week, didn’t want to lose Monday lows. But I’m watching GDX/J, gold, silver for May, Oct, Nov lows all. Wait, I mean I’m at work!!

    • MarkM
      MarkM says:

      New low for this move at 1196. What are we now on day 32? 33? So far miners still holding up with GDX at 20.85 pre market. This “feels” like the low.

  1. Chris
    Chris says:

    Well they have most definitely ‘run the May stops’ in gold now. Not quite there yet in silver! Now it’s waiting to see where we close out at the end of the day!! As Alex warned…’Wednesday could get tricky’!! It already has and US markets are not even officially open yet!!

  2. Ann
    Ann says:

    Alex- without a bounce back today, would that be a problem for the cycle count? Some miners have pretty obvious bear flags that set up a pretty big drop. would you use 11/14 miner low as a stop?

    • chartfreak1
      chartfreak1 says:

      I take each position individually. If there is a reversal later, one can always get back in, but if some bearmarket drop took over – it would not be something that you want to ride all the way down.

      So far, this is acting like a shake out as seen at other times, but it will depend on how things play out today.

      I’d rather not see GDX break the Nov 14 lows, and closing below there would make it difficult to justify holding on to positions with a holiday Thursday . Gold will continue to trade.

      • ray
        ray says:

        your last remark was something I was thinking about
        any chance the reversal would not be today, but on Thursday / Friday ?

        • chartfreak1
          chartfreak1 says:

          If we get a reversal on Thursday , when U.S. markets are closed, I will be absolutely convinced of greater manipulation than I even thought that there could be. : )

          • ray
            ray says:

            what was it than on election night ?
            gold up, Euro up think 2 % ( Xchange market trading is wayyyyyyy bigger than stockmarket ) stockmarket down up so you can imagine how much money that night was lost and how much money was made by the clever ones : )
            must be a gigantic amount maybe yep GIGANTIC

        • chartfreak1
          chartfreak1 says:

          Extremely unlikely. Historically – when a bull market re-emerges it lasts a whole lot longer than Jan lows to July highs. They tend to last for years.

          I just NEVER say NEVER in the markets.

          If the election of Trump, and spending on infrastructure, and so on spurs inflation ( And it should), that is good for Gold. Bullish. Gold still looks to be in Bull market. It looks to be running the stops, and Miners arent breaking recent lows yet.

          So far, so good. Doesn’t FEEL good, but it is better than the alternative.

          I’d like to see some Green miners by noon time ( eastern time)

          • Bill
            Bill says:

            I was just shocked. All I have been hearing is new BULL MARKET, not anything close to BEAR MARKET. What are you watching that will get you to sell everything?

        • Cason
          Cason says:

          Really? That thought never crossed your mind? This has been rough, real question is if the fundamental backdrop for rates and currencies globally has changed or not?

  3. Crystal
    Crystal says:

    So ..selling everything here for a MAJOR loss….. but like Alex said cannot afford to ride this down further……kind of ruins my appetite for turkey since I feel like a major one now 🙁

  4. Ken
    Ken says:

    It was discussed many times the last few weeks that a wave 2 correction in Metals could hit 62% Fib. Retrace !

  5. Chad
    Chad says:

    There go my stops. Let us know if and when you see a bottom Alex. Lost a whole year of trading since the election! I don’t know what to do.

        • chartfreak1
          chartfreak1 says:

          Bummer, I have done that too – wipe out good gains with leverage. The move down with leverage doesnt have to be that big, but the leverage amplifies it. Yes, This is one of the only times that I use tighter stops . The 3x etfs take the gains back 3x as fast.

          Buying the OCT lows in GDX and holding to now is a drop from $23 to $20. In JNUG / NUGT it was almost cut it half. huge difference sideways and on the way down.

          Or options just die on the vine.

          We really should be seeing a low today, if this is a shake out. GDX lows still have not been taken out.
          From there, confirmation of a low and a solid move higher out of what should be a yearly cycle low will help.

  6. Markm
    Markm says:

    While the worst case is playing out, this is still within the stop run scenario discussed. This is the yearly cycle low. Dollar, yen, all stretched to extremes. Someone is buying all those sell orders. We are close. Just my two cents. And believe me – I am feeling the pain in a big way. Just think we will move from oversold to overbought in gold in the coming weeks and months – like it always does.

    • Glmus
      Glmus says:

      I like your positive attitude. I just looked at stocks that I own. I am down a bunch like the rest seem to be. It is fair to call it a bloodbath. But I checked all of the stocks I own and all but one have held their Nov lows. My worst one, AXU, is down 11%, and close to breaking its Nov low, but hasn’t (maybe it will). On the negative side, all of them are below their 50 dema. What would be optimal, of course, would be to see a bunch of hammers form during the day.
      I just checked AXU and it is only -10% and has held so far. Let’s hope others join in.
      Gary

      • Glmus
        Glmus says:

        I am puzzled. Below you infer that we should consider clearing out if GDX breaks the Nov low. However, in earlier posts it seems like that was desirable because stops have been run. Thanks.

        • chartfreak1
          chartfreak1 says:

          GDX already broke MAY ICL . It doesnt need to break Nov lows, because Nov lows broke the May lows. Gold & SIlver hadn’t yet.

          All I was saying below was ” It is hard to stay in position if GDX CLOSES below the lows, because markets are closed Thursday ( but Gold isnt).

          I am saying it is hard to justify holding on with a close lower, because it could gap down further Friday if gold drops Thursday while markets are closed.

          Am I seeing ugly blood shed? Its odd, AUMN, GPL, TRX- they are not trading as though they believe this sell off in Gold is the end of a bull. Others are holding the Nov lows too.

          un-Leveraged positions seem like a normal pull back. Leverage has been dangerous without stops.

  7. Tammie
    Tammie says:

    On a happy note, my MJNA is up 2 cents. 🙂 Of course, it’s still a little red in my account…….but….

  8. R Byram
    R Byram says:

    Right or wrong, last night I decided not to move my stops up so I could give them some wiggle room. As a result the only one that has been hit was EDV.TO. This is a really solid african miner with good fundamentals, so I may take another ride on it when things start going our way.

  9. Bill
    Bill says:

    I dont’ see GDX as a bear flag. I see it as a pennant. We should be moving higher????? A fake out move lower is not uncommon, but this is ridiculous. Does anyone know the reliability % of pennant patterns? GDX double bottom?

    • akos54
      akos54 says:

      More like a bearish pennant. Have had two similar breakdowns since Sept. It’s below the Nov lows though and just took out an 4/6 gap a few minutes ago…….everything below seems too much of a reach for this move IMHO….

  10. chartfreak1
    chartfreak1 says:

    It’s odd, I hold Juniors like AUMN, TRX, NAK, GPL in pretty good size since I’ve accumulated over the entire run higher out of the Jan lows. I’m losing money today obviously, but…

    They are not selling off to the same degree that GOLD & SILVER do when I look at the charts.

    Yes, GOLD & SILVER take center stage and look like they are crashing, but they aren’t dragging down AUMN? GPL? GSV? NSU? very much. They’re down 1-4%

    Most of the other Miners ( AUY, NG, NGD, ABX, NEM, RGLD, BTG, AG, EGO, CDE, PAAS, etc are down 5-7% ( some 8-9%) , but we see that on normal days. I’m not being stopped out of anything yet – the lows aren’t taken out yet.

    GDX – it is selling down near the lows, so I look at GG, ABX, NEM. So far GG is not healthy, ABX looks good, NEM average.

    I’m not trying to be overly bullish, but HUGE volume in GDX and the drop is NOT as big as everyone seems to think. I have a feeling many are basing comments on leveraged positions.

  11. chartfreak1
    chartfreak1 says:

    WHO WILL BUY THIS LOW ???

    Even the drop form Oct lows in GDX at $22.50 to the Nov lows was $20.13. That is Normal, very normal.

    People are saying that the Miners are acting ridiculously. I am puzzled. Miners are resisting a thrashing that GOLD & SILVER are taking, many only down 4-7 %. I’ve seen that with Gold green – lol

    If
    one was leveraged however, NUGT lows in OCT were $11.09 to $7.30.
    That is a drop of over 34% – that does hurt. Or buying it on a bounce
    in October and riding it down could be a 50% cut.

    This pullback
    remains normal to what I see at bottoms (ICL ). I ‘ll point this out
    on a chart in the future and people will say

    ” I could have easily
    loaded the boat at the bottom and tripled my money!” ….Again like at the Jan lows.

    • GOLDSA
      GOLDSA says:

      Thanks for the analysis and completely taking the emotion out. Very very highly appreciated. I am loaded pretty heavy in miners but I am holding and have not sold one bit. I basically have been adding since beginning of November

      • chartfreak1
        chartfreak1 says:

        I still havent sold, Using Nov lows as mental stops, some arent even close.

        GDX Nov lows was $ 20.13…it dropped to $20.14 and then moved right up to $20.50. Could be shorts starting to take cover, time will tell.

        A little more follow through and we may start to see a reversal forming. One could only hope, right : )

    • Cason
      Cason says:

      I’m not. In fact, I’m never doing this again. I’d rather just get locked out like I did last year and find the next trade. Gonna have to change my trading philosophy for the future. My plan just did not work.

      • chartfreak1
        chartfreak1 says:

        Right.
        I saw you post yesterday that you were holding JNUG and I was really surprised . I thought that part of your trading plan was no more 3x etfs , those can suck the life out of you if you hold them too long.

        If this is the lows, I do expect those to double, maybe triple, but the ride down is as brutal as the ride up is exhilarating.

  12. kathleenchow
    kathleenchow says:

    I’m not leveraged and I really like hearing you talk like this Alex. So very much appreciated to hear your calm and analytical voice:)

    • chartfreak1
      chartfreak1 says:

      I understand Kathleen – The ICL is the hardest thing to endure in trading, but the rewards ( If we are at an ICL) are amazing. The most profitable trades I make all year are the first 2 daily cycles out of an ICL – even if I enter a tad early and have to take a few bumps.

      All the rest of the gains that I make are mid way moves like Energy or FCX, AKS, X, etc when they start running and we buy the pullbacks.

      Plus I always leave cash on hand until we get the confirmed wing low in place.

      • Cason
        Cason says:

        I just don’t understand why we keep dropping, though. We should have had ICL by now and then we think we have few days base and the rug gets pulled out again. This is completely nuts. And living it real time vs the charts from the past is completely different. You got that right. I’m sure they’ll be Bulls on ST in 3 weeks talking about good they did bc it was “easy” and “there the whole time”. And I’ll call BS on all of them.

        • nancytheartist
          nancytheartist says:

          I am a cynic. I have seen the manipulations and positioning the heavy hands do to take their positions at a very bottom bottom they create so they can have the most gains. This is their playing field. If I am wrong, I will be crying next week. I don’t think I will be. But, if not…I will be even more cynical for next time.

      • kathleenchow
        kathleenchow says:

        Thanks to you I’ve got a bunch of FCX long term. Let me tell you, August I forcing myself not to look at it. Wasn’t easy! (I’d insert an “understatement” emoji here if I could lol!)

  13. nancytheartist
    nancytheartist says:

    I ran away, forced myself to stop watching…had lunch. Came back and I am a lot less in the red than I was when I left. Good. Plus GDX [heading for 45 mill shares] has moved off the lows….for now. Checked my acct and only KGC and CDE have loss over 7%. I have 36 positions, mostly gold. I have had worse losses that this recently. I think this is the blood/streets thing.

  14. Ann
    Ann says:

    treasuries look like they might be putting in a turn around today- that should help since miners and treasuries seem to trade in sync

  15. Glmus
    Glmus says:

    I just looked this up from the NYSE: *Each market will close early at 1:00 p.m. (1:15 p.m. for eligible
    options) on Friday, November 25, 2016 and Friday, November 24, 2017 (the
    day after Thanksgiving). Crossing Session orders will be accepted
    beginning at 1:00 p.m. for continuous executions until 1:30 p.m. on
    these dates. All times are Eastern.

  16. deshy
    deshy says:

    Alex, I know anything can happen and that $SI is also an industrial metal but I would have thought that $Si would have been crushed today with the drop in $GC (it’s actually doing better than $GC). Any thoughts? Or am I using hope to justify my crazy positions…woudn’t be the first time. 🙂

    • ray
      ray says:

      same story as some of the other miners – it is also a copper mine ( besides gold and silver) – like TRQ – Nevsun
      so the reason why it’s holding is maybe for that reason ……

  17. ray
    ray says:

    Suddenly quiet here, think everybody is working on his/her Turkey meal
    over here just a regular working day ….

    • Geurt.
      Geurt. says:

      THANKS for your incredible input ALEX, especial such a day as today!!!
      You win the price for all my previous subscription.
      Have a blessed thanks giving to Him in the first place, sec. to your family.
      Again…. thanks Alex.

        • Cason
          Cason says:

          Ok, I’m with Guert here. I don’t know how you stay cool, collected, and analytical on a day like today. I clearly didn’t show it in may comments, but your intra-day posts where quite calming. Thank you. I have had other writers who would honestly hide on a day like today.

  18. Ann
    Ann says:

    Alex- if you look at a daily chart of dust over the past yr, doesn’t it look like a rounding bottom about to break out?

  19. RM
    RM says:

    alex- at what point do we have to revaluate.. price action is clearly going against us in gdx. i am not sure how much more of this i can handle as it seems like we continue to wait for a move that won’t happen.

    • chartfreak1
      chartfreak1 says:

      If you are leveraged, you dont want to be. IF one feels that this might not be the lows, you can step out, and always get back in after confirmation lows come in

      At this point, as I look at many of the Miners discussed in past report, they are still not breaking down below the Nov Lows at this point, so I’m kind of just watching things individually. Some Miners are not holding up as well.

      HMY – Bad
      DRD – Good
      GPL – Green
      PAAS – off of lows
      AUMN is down by 2 cents, but others are down 4-8 %.

      My stocks are not breaking the lows, I’m watching things going into the close, but for me, I still see things as pointed out in the reports. . I would have liked to see GOLD drop & recover all in 1 day, but unfortunately that is not happening as of now.

      Some may want to lighten up if they went in too heavy and cant take the selling. I feel like the market is putting in a major low, but I can’t ask people not to honor their stops. I have always said that stops should be in place and honored, and position size is key. Also using leverage is a personal decision and is always very tricky near lows (Volatility) .

      The decision should be made before the market close how you want to be positioned going into a holiday while Gold still trades overseas. I am not being stopped out of my current positions, I’m probably going to remain positioned, with cash and see where we are Friday. At this point, I am pretty heavily positioned, I was expecting the lows in this area.

      • RM
        RM says:

        i am not levered so thats not an issue..but these things are not acting at all bullish as a group.. goro was great and than we walked into a down 25 percent day and the outperformance gonzo. this is the 2nd cycle in a row we expected a move up and have not had it..to me it means something is wrong. i am not levered so can ride out the volatility and buy weakness but i have to point out the elephant in the room and thats that the sector is listless esp as the materials like iron ore are ripping and please overlay them tog.

        • chartfreak1
          chartfreak1 says:

          Right, it is a matter of timing. So refresh and have a look at this chart. This is what I think may be happening. There are still rallies out of the lows, but they act differently in long whippy consolidations.

          I have to wonder if we are in this stage of the Bull Makrket. I didn’t expect this stage until next summer.

          We should be very late in the daily cycle, so a low should be here, but the pullback is not acting as steady or as healthy as when we came out of the 2000 lows. Back then, Miners would overall pull back 38% – 50% on the way higher for the first solid year or more. It wasn’t until about the 2003 – 2005 area . That is when it got very volatile and shaky.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/550001c594d37966035755b16415f8c74741d89952175636e917d752b75d647b.jpg

          • chartfreak1
            chartfreak1 says:

            SO we would still get ICL’s, but the pull back is deeper than expected , and the rallys should be sold, since the next dip can look like the above chart inside of the red boxes

            I’m still not exactly sure that this is what we are seeing here, but it seems to be a deeper selling period than the first part of the Bull.

          • Rm
            Rm says:

            Ok fair enough and I sure hope it rallies soon. I bought to early and now taking gas.. thankfully not levered and have plenty of powder left to add tho unsure if I can pull the trigger anyway. Happy holidays and enjoy the time off.

          • chartfreak1
            chartfreak1 says:

            These sell offs are B-R-U-T-A-L when we get positioned and they sell down.

            I put a chart above, showing that even moves out of bear market ICLs were profitable.

            Your positioned ( you are not leveraged) will probably do well in the future, we just need to get a move out of the lows. Plus I still think that we are in a Bull market.

          • Rm
            Rm says:

            I learned a long time ago no leverage and no margin and always always keep a little cash for the extra stretched opportunities. Thx again!

          • Cason
            Cason says:

            That chart looks terrible, you could go almost 2 Years at one point and not make any money. With leverage, you’d lose money. In a “bull”.

  20. R Byram
    R Byram says:

    I took over about 40% of my exposure off the table – crazy, I may have purged the best but they all seem to be moving up and down at about the same price. The overall loss on the 40% was 1.5% and the rest I’m holding have much worse losses, but at least if we keep going down I have cut the bleed rate. Risk management first, profit second. I have 6 names left and that is more than enough to manage.

    • chartfreak1
      chartfreak1 says:

      The part of that plan that I like is that you do still have some skin in the game, but as you called it – The bleed rate has been reduced.

      I still have to believe that cycle timing is pointing at a trade-able low in this area.

      Even the bear market rally was excellent in the first 2 daily cycles . You can look back and see that they were good moves higher and we must be close to a low in Gold on day 33.

          • R Byram
            R Byram says:

            Right, it was sort of my plan all along to take a very hard look at where this first daily cycle started to peak and then make a decision to probably exit the trade. This little fed induced hysteria just before a holiday weekend messed with the risk management side of things. I’m not a big fan of Trump bombastic style, but I hope he stops the Fed from playing these games. They could have easily increased interest rates at a steady .005% per month and everyone would have know what was going on and no one would be getting jerked around with this ongoing drama.

    • Cason
      Cason says:

      I cut back last Friday then got sucked back in when we stabilized only to get whacked today. Ugh. Should have waited longer, otherwise essentially had same plan as you discussed.

  21. chartfreak1
    chartfreak1 says:

    This is a chart that I quickly threw together,. (Refresh)
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    What I am showing is that even in Bear Markets, the ICL would produce 2 daily cycles higher, and then roll ver.
    I still expect an ICL in this area, and then 2 daily cycles should tell us where we are, but this is why I am not selling everything into the close..

    Please lighten up if you feel anymore downside would kill you, but I have done this before, My positions are still above Nov lows, some above OCt lows, I am going to wait for the ICL at this point.
    .
    These were Bear Market Rally – I am under the impression that we are still in a Bull market seeking out a yrly cycle low. Day 33.
    .

    .

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/87a7985d26a34574e8014935153383c7cc3452ff88505de9ac87035712c5bd62.jpg

      • ray
        ray says:

        2 can not go higher than 1 or in a downtrend lower than 1
        i m not an expert in EW but that’s one of the only rules I know for sure
        sorry

      • Cason
        Cason says:

        I’d shift your 1 over to the Sep drawdown, 2 of 2 becomes a flat, 3 is an absolutely waterfall, 4 was our Oct shitty bounce, 5 is our current face-hammering.

        So, thought of something. This whole time I was operating under the impression that we were still in major 1, potentially ending Intermediate 2, and starting wave 3. But is there any way we got all 5 up already and this was a Major 2 versus the lesser degree Intermediate??? Idk, prolly not, what ‘chu think. I expected to hit Primary 2 next summer which would be doldrums very similar to watch CF posted in chat today. Then primary 3 would take gold eventually to new highs in 2018. But then this pullback was so much greater than what we expected based on Jan ’16 on, so maybe that wave count is now out???

      • Geurt.
        Geurt. says:

        Bear-Trap…. I agree with you, Alex -what I understand- says the same !!!
        It Was a Great Day…..
        We will go up very soon, my guts is saying it.

    • Cason
      Cason says:

      It could take until March to know, maybe. We either set a higher high or we don’t. If we have a lower high then we all know what is next.

      Interesting if you just look across the bottom at the full stoch in isolation. Really makes Jan-May look special. Too bad the bulls fumbled this one away.

    • Cason
      Cason says:

      Yes, I am absolutely questioning everything. I can’t imagine that the election changed that many things on a dime. The man won’t even be in office for another 2 months and it’s not like US Gov’t is quick to change/pass laws. But with risk assets up like this and the $$ this strong there is absolutely of fundamental reason to hold any whatsoever. I agreed with the original technical picture, but that has now been proven wrong.

    • Cason
      Cason says:

      It was pretty speculative. Really could have gone the other way, but yeah, always seems to work that way, right? I got scared out of my NAK last week. And it’s the one stock that didn’t nose dive into the crapper. So good that something is working for you!

  22. kathleenchow
    kathleenchow says:

    Happy Thanksgiving CF and everyone:) I hope you all enjoy a great day with friends and family. CF, again I really do appreciate the great work you do every single day here. I must agree with Carson’s post below that I am especially thankful for your dedication in staying at the helm and reading the tea leaves on difficult and volatile days like today.

    • Johnny
      Johnny says:

      Thank you Kathleen. Happy Thanksgiving to you and all the good folks at chartfreak. I feel very blessed to have an online family that I feel a part of. I can’t wait till we all are super wealthy flying in our private jets to visit one another, go over charts and have a beverage! Have a great holiday!!!!!!!!!

  23. R Byram
    R Byram says:

    I’m trying to take turkey day off from this screen even though the Canadian exchange is still open. After 2 hours of trading on thin volume here’s where some of the gold miners are: AGI -1.19%, AKG +2.44%, ELD -1.12%, AU (FR.TO) -.27%,
    GSV – 1.97%, GUY -.71%, IAG -1.24% and ZJG which is similar to GDXJ +.25%

    • Cason
      Cason says:

      But we’ll open back in the gutter tomorrow. I should have ejected my entire portfolio and sat in fat piles of cash 2 weeks ago. 🙁 🙁 🙁

    • Cason
      Cason says:

      There is nothing, absolutely nothing that can be done until after the Fed raises rates in about 3 more weeks. Very oversold, cycle, count is late, but I see now choice but to sell any futile pop we get. I’d get out of any positions we can, and hedge strongly any you have to hold. The bull isn’t strong enough to front run. We got the first ICL incorrect and this one is late and expected to be weak. Save yourselves, run for the hills!!! Go short!! Apocalypse!!!

    • pankef
      pankef says:

      That’s a relationship that sometimes works well and other times is non-existent. During the early 90’s the Yen was on a tear and gold moved sideways, then between 1999-2007 the Yen consolidated sideways while gold tripled in price. I am not saying that it is not relevant but rather to be careful not to stick to “one way of thinking” because these relationships/analogues can switch on a dime

      • Cason
        Cason says:

        Yes, true but with $/Yen right now until there is at least a short-term trend change, we’re all just pissing our money away.

  24. deshy
    deshy says:

    well $1180 broke…and so am I. I’m done with $GC for now. Admit defeat, lick wounds and maybe play another day. Giving up on hoping “hope” is a strategy. Enjoy the night all!

    • Cason
      Cason says:

      Hope is all that I have had left for weeks now. And now this is gone. I haven’t felt like this since the middle of the bear.

  25. pankef
    pankef says:

    Just a guess, if by the New York open we have recovered tonight’s loses, odds will greatly increase that the lows are in, in gold and miners may not look back at all.

    • Cason
      Cason says:

      Sing it, brother. 1178-1180 was STRONG support through the bear until finally broken fall 2015. Could be an important low again. Back to Hope!

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