November 10
It has been a crazy week, that’s for sure. Odd differences are appearing in the markets this week. Let’s get right into the report and you’ll see what I mean.
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You probably heard about the Markets ripping out to new record highs if you were watching CNBC, and they were. This was the DJIA. The BKX ( banks) broke to new highs, the TRAN, RUT,IWM, SPX, and so on were rallying higher. This certainly looks like the start of a bullish break out.
And then there was the NASDAQ. Hmmm, that was quite the reversal lower on Thursday.The Nasdaq closed down 42.
Lets look at a couple of our strong Tech companies. Hmmm? Apple?
Look at GOOGLES RSI & MACD.
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So we see an interesting development in the general markets with those divergences. COPPER and STEEL continued blasting higher, while The XLU has been selling off since July. I can’t imagine the Dow continuing higher and higher to 20,000 while the Nasdaq falls apart and continues downward. Things are out of sync at the moment. We’ll have to allow for some time and watch how things play out going forward.
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USD – The dollar has been running higher and has looked and acted very bullishly, but I’m expecting a solid drop from the USD. If we get a USD drop, that may be when Gold starts to gain some traction. This could be a double top forming now.
WTIC – Oil dropped on Thursday. I am still seeing this as weak.
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– And now to our theme picture –
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GOLD – Gold is approaching the Oct lows and we are on day 24. If the Oct lows were an ICL, they should not be taken out. We are within the timing for a dcl, but on day 25 Friday, this could drop a bit further. Please read the chart.
GOLD Dec 3rd ICL.
Side note: Gold visited ICL (lows)In December 2015 before finally running higher.
Unfortunately, Miners broke the lows later, and then catapulted higher.
SILVER – Silver is not falling apart , it is acting correctly. Silvers chart still looks bullish and does indicate that an ICL was put in place in October.
Look at Palladium – Palladium & Silver are actually acting the way I expected Gold to. This also should help those that say that they feel Oct was too early for an ICL to see that it is not too early. Golds ICL should be in place, So why isn’t GOLD acting this way? That is puzzling.
Platinum has been weak in 2016 when compared to Gold, it even broke the May lows on this drop. Now even it looks to be holding up above the October lows a bit better than Gold?
Summary : The above charts of Silver and Palladium seem to prove that an ICL took place in October, but Gold is definitely acting weaker than one would expect. Copper and Steel are taking off like rockets too. Is Gold going to play catch up after it shakes all the bulls off at these lows? It would seem so, but if the Oct lows are taken out on a closing basis, I would be forced to think that something is wrong with Gold.
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GDX – The drop for the past 2 days has been steep and painful. Could it be capitulation and an eventual exhaustion of sellers, or the start of a steeper sell off? It could be either. I actually do not see why this wouldn’t undercut the lows at this point. It would run the stops in a big way.
GDX WKLY – The bigger picture shows that Miners have pulled back to the 50% area and reached oversold levels. It remains inside of a blue channel, thus it could drop to the 61.8%. The blue bands usually support GDX in Bull markets.
GDX DAILY – In the past, when we had a high volume slam down day, the lows were often close by and within days. You can see that price did bounce around those areas and then formed a low. In bear markets, GDX did cascade further, in Bull markets it holds up.
ABX makes up a good part of the GDX. ABX looked ugly Thursday with the news of a debt tender offer, but in the past the 1 day high volume slam down was often the capitulation low ( in the bull market).
GDX – GDX lost the 200sma and probably stopped out some traders today ( high volume). I’m hoping that the high volume was stops being run and smart money buying. Since GDX went sideways for a month, it still is not oversold on a daily chart.
BPGDM – So far, Miners aren’t breaking down the way they did into the October lows. So far, so good.
I’m using this chart to show how devious the markets can be. They do sell off into the lows at times to scare bulls away, and then take off higher while traders are still too shook up to re-enter. Is that happening now, or has something really changed?
Conclusion: I must say that things are playing out in a rather confusing way in the metals area. When I look at the chart of Palladium, that is exactly what I expected Gold to do. Palladium, Silver, Steel and Copper are quickly running higher ( some like Rocket ships) while Gold cannot gain any traction. Miners are paying the price for that too. Gold has not broken the October lows, so it is not outright bearish, but people hate this sector again. Contrary thinking and cycle timing says that a low must be close. Let’s see how Friday closes out the week.
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You warned us this was going to be crazy and not to get emotional. I took a bit off the table on Wed in case I needed to average down… But I don’t intend to exit yet. I really appreciate your broad view of things. Last night I had another idea I posted … Does it make any sense?
I believe in Gap fills. They don’t always fill right away, but it is uncanny how often they do.
Just don’t tell anyone about the GDX gap down at the $20 area. The Gaps from 2008 didnt fill until last year, maybe that one wont for 7 or so years too.
Alex,
very good report, level headed and not emotional. I was very little invested as I was of the idea that Thanksgiving week is when the goldies bottoms year in and year out. I feel there could be a shake out real soon (today or Monday) and then back up we go. I put some money in to work before the close last night, but want more confirmation.
Is October an ICL or we could have an undercut in November? And what do you make of Wednesday high in gold at around 1340? Is it the 2nd DC peaking on day 1 and here down we go? Lots of uncertainty right now, we probably need a few days to clear. But it seems we are real close to the bottom or the bottom is going to give way and lower we go?
I personally believe the OCT lows are the ICL. The chart of Palladium was a good visual, and Silver bottomed then and has held up nicely. Even if Silver started to drop down, its’t it very right translated? 4th or 5th daily cycles don’t usually have the strength to go higher than day 8-12.
Alex,
I think we just broke the OCT ICL in gold, need to reassess, but I took a loss on my JNUG and GDXJ trades
Gold did break those lows
Does it have to close at those lows to say we are yet to experience an ICL (new) in gold?
I dont think so, I believe intraday would mark the spot, especially during the normal trading hrs.
Totally unexpected with the other metals doing well, but when I look back at my old reports, I was thinking GDX $22. Now we just have to see how far below that it gets extedned
Are you still in?
By the way – Have you actually checked the charts to see if Gold bottoms thankgiving week ( Last week of November?) year in and year out? 😉
I looked for our benefit, kind of a mixed bag of lows and highs at that time.
Alex,not the best day for it,but congratulations on your 2nd. year. You should be very proud of yourself. I’m sure the majority of your readers are. Say, maybe another bottom support number for GDX? Am I seeing gap support @ $21.30?
Thanks crawdaddy.
Dec 4th is actually the 2 yr anniversary for the pay site, so maybe it’ll be a lot brighter then? – lol
Looking back at March 2016, there is a lot of support in that area, but the Fib #s in the chart of the report also shows that we are at support, and that blue ribbon or cloud that is in one of the charts. That held as solid support in bull markets. It has the bottom broken out in Bear market declines.
GDXJ has a monster gap still open at $34. Praying we don’t have to fill that one.
I hate that. We did have 3 or 4 off of the Oct 2008 lows that never filled, so there is hope, but we are pretty close to that one now.
Good morning, Alex –
Once again, I think you should rename your site to Sherlock Holmes. It looks easy, but only AFTER you’ve drawn clues from so many different areas that I would never know to look!
I hesitate to bring this up, as it sounds “voodoo” – but here goes anyway. An author I follow set out to disprove any relationship between full moons and Gold – and he failed. While no “indicator” is 100%, he found a high correlation between full moons and either a reversal in gold -OR- an acceleration of existing trend. That info isn’t really actionable, since one doesn’t know which will occur – however, when combined with your observation that gold is so close to support (Oct. low), I’m thinking it would be wonderful if Monday morning’s full moon marks a gold bottom. Could GDX be sniffing that out today?
So in the interest of full disclosure (thanks for the kind comments yesterday, y’all), I’m holding on to yesterday’s addition and dying to add to it, but likely will wait until Monday.
Thanks Cal,
I know the Moon affects the tides and other things, but I cant say whether or not it nails the lows or has a ‘plus or minus x number of days’, etc. I’ve never looked into it.
For some reason, GDX is up pre-market and Gold wasn’t , so maybe Miners are leading and gold will reverse soon too. Cycle wise, Gold is running out of time too.
And GDX is now red in pre-market
Yeah, I’m back to day-trading which I don’t like
I may actually add today hoping to front rub any action Monday, but I am talking very small amounts of capital for now. Small, options – so downside risk is capped of we break down.
not sure but think that intra day we just went lower than the close – bottom of early October
1251.9 is what I have on my chart as a close in october
obviously this could be a wave 2 – if so it can not go lower than the 1243.2 of that same day
Voodoo – I like that : )
Obviously , we should see how many of these metals stocks look when they pull back ( AKS, X, CLF, VALE, CLD, FCX, CENX, AA, ETC) for possible future buy the dip opportunities.
Wait, you answered my question before I asked it. Now, that’s service! No, seriously, this run in COPPER is nuts – up 25% (why can’t YOU do that, Gold!!) last 2 weeks. Do you think that X, CLF and friends can take a run at 2016 highs or would you sell now knowing that the base metals have to take a break? Along with LABU, those two have kept me floating a bit this week. Phew.
They could do whatever they want. Break 2016 highs ( some have) or pull back and consolidate. I see Huge gaps below some of these, but look at CLF in May. That power gap never filled, so its a tough call.
Trailing stop?
Alex, agree on Silver. For the EW peeps – If one pulls up a weekly of silver going back to the December lows, you can easily see the move off the lows up in 5 waves (Wave 1) and the Aug-Oct correction in 3 waves (end of wave 2). Gold isn’t nearly as clear but certainly possible.
Alex, you still feel strongly that we are in a bull market, correct? Hopefully that isn’t a stupid question at this point.
Its not a stupid question. We all should be questioning it. Remember my World War Z comment a few weeks ago?
I can’t recall what it was…..what was it? I’m trying to decide on whether to bail on alot of what I have….I have too many miners…..way too many….my basket is full and I’m a thinkin too full…
But I’ll be taking losses if I do, so….maybe if I just sell one everything will turn and start going up…:)
I know a group of really excellent traders who will not touch the market in the first hour. The call it the amateur hour. Not saying it is right or wrong, because I don’t know, but I’m going for a coffee.
This seems to be true when the metals pop in the first hour – I avoid it. Let’s hope it works when they poop in the first hour.
I said before, that when everyone is thinking the same thing, then everyone is probably wrong. In the Movie, they had what was called the 10th man. When the other 9 all agreed on something, it was the duty of the 10th man to consider the opposite. A few weeks ago when we were all thinking ICL, I made the comment.
Hi Bill. I never saw the movie but that is a great point. We should practice that. Thank you.
Did anyone notice DRYS yesterday? I owned it a couple of months ago. 🙁
If you owned it a couple of months ago, you may have owned it higher and got out before the bigger sell off.
It did 2 reverse splits. Yes, 2 reverse splits since August
If I owned it in Sept, it would have been for an equivalent of $7. Now it is $16.
HMY falling off a cliff compared to others, might have to bail on this one…
Well Alex, there is your $22.05 target on GDX! 50% give back on the FIBO of the entire run up
Check out the GDX may lows.
I feel like ( IF this is bull market action), they are gunning to run all the stops, including the May lows and then reverse it higher. That is only if the bull market remains in tact. ( A 50% retrace is not bearish, but Miners do have a tendency to flush out and extend in both directions).
They just did
IF you believe that you sold everything?
Gold just came within $0.15 of taking out its October low (then slightly reversed)… Let’s hope we hold…
I thought that it did take them out and reversed, no?
Moot point now. I was looking at the continuous contract on bullionvault.com, which showed 1241.64 for the Oct low.
Had to lighten up on GDX…TOO MUCH PAIN.
Whats up with AUMN?
Also TRQ!
Just updated my gold chart. *F5*
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Alex, Does this work for cycles?
Yearly CL seems to be around Nov/Dec i.e. where we are now. Last YC based on monthly charts is RT. Suggesting higher high on next YC. The current weekly cycle is LT. Should we not ‘expect’ it to fail? So basically I’m thinking that we take out 1243 but hold 1200. Then we go higher and yes at month 11 we are getting close. Over analyzing?
I would say that GDX has this target using technical analysis
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Refresh & Click to enlarge. It is the 61.8% area
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If the gdx gets there many juniors will be destroyed
The juniors ( GDXJ ) is posted above, and actually looks like it may be in its support area.
Yes, but this leaves us with 2 possibilities, 1) Oct was the end of 3rd daily cycle DCL and ICL is still ahead or even 2) The entire bull thesis is called into question. Both are tantamount to armageddon.
SPOT ON ALEX !!!!!
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Totally in the cards all along…..
true, we just didn’t react to how many emotional traders jumped in after the election
i meant like this …. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/844ebcb84b05c744efd5c150127720fb96f5c3d42ef67569a939449149589ef3.png
can you put a “you are here” dot on the map?
https://www.tradingview.com/x/x9oiJrJ0/
Yeah, so really could have used this information LAST WEEK! Fri AM gold QB!
well .. CF has been posting that target for months.. and i believe i did post that long time ago.. i will look. it’s just basic EW theory… and who knows if its even the correct count…
it could VERY WELL be just a giant ABC up .. and now we are in “1” down…. i have no way of knowing that … im a novice at best.. who knows…
I’m pissed at the market, not Maria. Sorry. But my point is this target is below the ICL line in sand. We can’t have this target and the proposed ICL both, they were and still are mutually exclusive. So, nice that this was thrown out there but it contridicts the last weekend report.
like this … ABC
https://www.tradingview.com/x/UaDcVDyj/
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ok .. here it is . GDX weekly… so -by this count we have completed “1” and are still currently in “2” which should end before OCT… does that fit your ‘cycle’ theory Maestro … (quit pretending your practicing)
.. https://www.tradingview.com/x/…
ps. I copied and ‘flipped’ the last leg down .. it LOOKs verrrrry familiar … hmmmmmmmmm ????
https://www.tradingview.com/x/m9jj5vD0/
for some reason that link goes to amazon.. so i reposted/edited .. hopefully that works
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Ok, I believe that you posted. That was never in doubt. Thanks for the refresh.
it looks like i posted that Sept 8 .. PLDDDDDD ;o)
clip from my email:
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Shermo (Guest):
That’s a masterpiece. Great artistry! Thanks Maria
3:10 p.m., Thursday Sept. 8 | Other comments by Shermo
Shermo’s comment is in reply to Maria:
ok .. here it is . GDX weekly… so -by this count we have completed “1” and are still currently in “2” which should end before OCT …
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Nice chart, thanks. Let’s hope TA works.
Green shoots in SIL 1 minute chart
here they go – ABX, HL IAG its like a really bad ice cream headache that just has to go away if you hang in there
I assume everyone is stopped out now?
Yup, totaly stopped out…better days are coming..so is Christmas.
I’m out now. Been scaling out since Wednesday.
I can’t seem to pull the trigger!
Yeah, I sold some, but holding others painfully….surely there will be a bounce somewhere…and I can get out at least at not as great a loss on some….
I’m still 75% invested and about to copy Alex’s picture.
Here’s the issue, you stop out now so sell at the lows. If you hold on, we continue to plummet and you end alone, naked, hungry, and poor in an alley. Either way you lose.
Yeah ….:( 🙁 Kobayashi maru
i still in with about 35% invested.
already bailed on a considerable amount.
am using this as a psychological exercise now, in not capitulating the rest near a cycle low turnaround!
Nothing better than selling at the lows baby. 🙁 🙁 🙁
It all but assures the trend change
I love the fundamentals and business model for RGLD in the streaming business. Tons of upside torque to the price of gold and big growth. It just bounced nicely off the upward sloping TL.
I really wonder at this point if the Trump presidency has recalibrated everything. And whether gold is just starting a long term bear market.
I thought that Trump would scare everyone into gold. Wrong, so far. 🙁
Copper, Silver, Steel, all have moved higher since Trump. They are all industrial metals. Gold, no.
The paradigm assumed by a Trump Presidency has been disproved, instead of fleeing to gold we know how higher rates and very quickly. Gold is currently subservient to the bond market.
Primero getting destroyed again, today. Its been a tough week for PPP.
IS XLU a precursor to GDX? Overlay the charts. Its pretty close, starting to get some buying.
https://www.tradingview.com/x/QLQYND4P/
Bought 100 shares of JNUG @7.50
many Shippers are exploding today too
SINO, SHIP, TOPS, EGLE, NM, etc
Wow, DRYS up another 33%.
Curled in corner in fetal position rest of the day…
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GOLD/GDX still working on wave of their wave 2 corrections……
It is Not abnormal for wave 2 to hit 62% FIB retracements…….
Ken, you were right all by yourself the whole time. Congrats! I’d buy you a round but I don’t have a damn penny left to my name.
LOL…..
Alex Finviz has gold low at 1240.70. Would you please answer this question? :
Edward Bernhart chartfreak1 • an hour ago
Does it have to close at those lows to say we are yet to experience an ICL (new) in gold?
He did, Nancy. might have to refresh. No it does not have to close!
BB Crash today on both GDX and Gold……
Once Gold/GDX Closes back inside those bands those previous lows should hold and wave 3 begins…..
Hedged until then…. fyi
Thanks, Ken. Several of my stocks qualify. 🙂
Tues night…was just too fast…it was gone so fast…I never got to hedge…ahhhhh…thought we were good and then
I did Not hedge until this morning …..
I thought we were in the clear Tues. night also but not so……something changed Wed. morning after the election results, PPT and/or Reallocation by BB’s and Hedge funds based on Trumps ideals ?
I know, feel like it’s too late to get into JDST now…..I have decided I’m just not savy enough to be doing this.
Agree. I’m probably going to have to quit. But good news is there are 2 casinos within short driving of my house so that I can do something safe with money.
Glad you are keeping your sense of humor.
Global interest rates reset higher and it’s killing gold. This may eventually be bullish like rate hike last Dec but remember that took a full month. I thought I missed hedge by yesterday AM. I was wrong.
Agree Cason…..Inflation worries imo
So shorting everything yesterday would have been good….gold, market, oil…
Finviz now has gold low as 1228.50. Though I feel sick to my stomach, I’m leaving and going out to lunch.
JNUG just dropped below $7
Generally, -20% for JNUG is very bad, now -25%!!!
I’m out!!
Everything that I wasn’t completely and absolutely buried in I’ve sold. Getting ready to sell winners in other sectors to raise cash in case that is ever needed.
Both GDX/GDXJ blasted through their 50% retracements. Next stop, 61.8?
Low soon. Monday? HUI 170-175?
I get the 61.8 retracement at 175ish and we are close.
I know some do not want to hear this because of this wave 2 correction but this coming wave 3 is going to tremendously profitable in PM’s……..
And it’s coming soon.
I want to hear it!! I want to hear it!! Please repeat!! I’m holding some things that I just don’t want to sell at these losses….
Appreciate your candor and emotion free analysis. I miss calculated the end of Wave 2 by a full month. Gonna be hard to pick up the pieces. Gonna need a helluva rally just to get back to even. Elevator down, stairs back up!
JNUG could be an elevator back up…hahahahaha….let me know if you can find the strength to pull the trigger…..I’d like to think I could but ……my fingers all seem to be frozen in a block of ice
It may but this decline has killed many. I can see the panic from the posters. The magnitude of the decline has simply not been expected and managed poorly.
Conspiracy Theory …… sorry ….. THAT is exactly what the Commercials want they will be buying soon.
No such theory; just plain and simple, expectations for an immediate bullish resolution failed and the decline has been much larger than expected
Failed because the Commercials have the Financial Strength to Manipulate the PM’s, This was given in 2008 when the Fed and all its wisdom made it a law that one could no longer Short the BB’s….imo 🙂
So glad someone mentioned this. The manipulation is so evident in the PM sector of this casino.
The odd thing about this wave 2 correction is, I went back to look at my older Gold & GDX chart from say Aug / Sept, and I remember thinking 5 waves up ( 1-2-3-4-5) and then an a-b-c correction.
You look at GDX now and it looks far more like a 1-2-3-4-5 down.
2 charts attached. one was my older chart looking for A-B-C . Gets us to the target area, but as an A-B-C , which did not happen. The other chart is from todays report, but labelled 1-2-3-4-5.
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Why does this make sense to E.W. followers?
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A B C X A B C Wave 2 possible…..
I know what you are referring to, but how would that be labelled, because I thought that would go back to the lows?
To the 62 % Retrace ….. maybe a tad deeper ?
Currently in the second wave A ?
Elliot Wave is the most subjective analysis tool. Everyone has their own interpretations and most if not all are incorrect. I used to follow Bob Prechter. He practically invented the thing and he was wrong most of the time.
Thanks for making me laugh 🙂
very true…..
Definitely a Tool for me !!! With all do respect Carl….. 🙂
yeah.. well … even if it retraces 99% … it’s still valid .. that’s the problem… you dont KNOW until that point… that’s the problem with wave 2s… 😡
hi Alex,
as you know I m not an EW specialist – just know a few rules
your labelling on the gdx divergence chart normally can not be possible
wave 4 can not retrace in wave 2 !!
again i’m not a specialist but thought that this is one of the rules
Wave 4 didnt retrace wave 2 – right? Its a 1-2-3-4-5 down
GDX ran every possible normal stop going back to April. Whew!
what to do here Alex?
I’m switching btw crying and drinking. Heavily.
start watching JNUG.. it may be worth jumping on for a ride like LABU last week
It’s already flying up…..was just looking at it a second ago and it’s already up .60
At this point, this is the flush out stage. Stops are being run and selling begets selling ( And what is usually the case is that Big Money has flushed the stops and scoops up all the “on sale” Miners. You get a reversal candle at the low.
Looking at a chart at past lows , you’ll see those reversal candles, but it never looks as bad on a chart as it feels if you are invested at the time of the wash out. And I do think that this is a wash out / flush out / stop run.
As for that giant H&S pattern on GDX 1 yr chart? that became a little foreboding when the Oct lows were taken out. That needs to be monitored going forward.
Yes Agree Alex……with a new ICL label ? 😉 😉
You have to let the markets do as they will. The A-B-C down of E.W. sell off let me down again! – lol 😉
lol 😉
havent analysed what DUST did yet,…… but i think you’ll find out its going to be a triple wigwam 😉
Trying to be optimistic, GDX/J have green 30 min candles (so far) and the 50 min candles could end up being hammers. I think we may need 15 minutes to complete these however.
the day’s getting good!.. my MUX is back to -10% up from -13%
/sarc
Yahoo
I’m going to do something that got me into trouble last time (a la 2010). Hold on tight!! There is so much damage and pain that I figure it’s got to bounce soon (yes it could happen from lower) but I’d rather reassess on the bounce. Yep. Logic like that is why I got in trouble the last time too. :-))
I am doing the same. Holding my positions. I have one account left from back then that I held….just held and hoped eventually it would be green again [some have been and I got out…some others …NO, maybe never green again , just less red.] Well, now I have another whole new account in matching red! I’m holding…I am a patient person…usually.
Was that account all the way back to 2012? You may see green in those again, if the Bull rages onward and upward.
I own MUX too. Draw a channel on the 6 month chart – it did a false break down so far
I bought some JNUG. Got the devil’s fill at $6.66. Now have a breakeven stop there.
Awesome! I waited for more confirmation, pulling trigger now.
Be careful. This might not be over.
was watching the weekly… more or less hit lower DT line, 50sma, 300ema, 65ema, all in tight space
There is good news on the intraday chart of GDX , but I dont want to say anything yet : )
Rhythms with possible “rehearsal” .
just bought some jnug 8.14
Ice water running through his veins!
Sorry but don’t get that
Maybe its just a U.S. saying? It’s the somewhat like saying ” He has nerves of Steel”
I am getting lots of 30 buy signals. JNUG is down to -15%. My account is less negative (boy, I never thought I would brag about this).
So what they did – they took out everybody who was short on their stops in the week on election night and today they are taking out everybody who was on the long side ! GENIOUS but it all did cost us a fortune
Yep…..
Exactly
wow… check out THAT repeating pattern… HOPEFULLY it will continue to follow and head up now??
hit both “bottom” touches
https://www.tradingview.com/x/xXj665CD/
M.. its great that you should get ‘the Box’ out (thus bringing all the boys to the yard) in this hour of need 😉
I’m buying this
You have been drinking Cason ! 😉
wow!!! Jut simply wow! This is certainly volatility at it’s best. MUX now down 5%…a lot of hombres just got whipsawed out some good positions today. No matter how it ends…
cannot believe that mofo AUMN.. sold yesterday expecting it to join the bloodbath… and sweet FA drop today.
the ones i hung on to ,, eg. MUX, dropped -13%.
mini pullback in JNUG (wave 2?) think im gonna be in for 500 of these when its completed an ABC
Going for the quadruple, or just selling when it doubles or triples?
im probably selling when my 30min indicator gives a signal… wherever its at!
Based on the comment volume indicator we are at or very near a bottom and a violent reversal.
i havent even had time to read most of them..
Hard keeping up with the comment roll, I know I’m missing some of them.
read mine .. theyre always full of wisdom.. lol
New chart – Look at the daily chart of GDX from a YTD ttime frame. All the stops are run, and now…..
Will they now step in and scoop them up? Typical wash out that kills people at the ICL / DCL ??
And look at that HUGE SCARY MIND BLOWING SELL OFF. 🙂
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yes excellent… typical .. HUGE 2 selloff .. bounce out weak hands… for the GIANT big Kahuna wave that follows…
Get your surfboard out.
Unfortunately lots of us in CF are the weak hands. You talkin’ bout Billy Boy and I!
Certainly Possible…
Who is “THEY” by the way ? 😉
Big Money…you know. “Us” – lol
ESNC dang it missed it +20%
And today is a holiday in the U.S. ? Banks closed, Post office closed, PRECIOUS METALS MARKETS EXTREME VOLUME?
That is so suspicious! As you guys can tell by volume, I’m clearly not at work.
JNUG and GDX/J have finish nice 30 min candles and
the last 60 min candles are hammers. Still would like to see more goose. But getting higher highs on the 60 min so far. AND my account is less negative. I sold HL earlier at 6.03, bought it back at 6.14.
Actually finally got the kahunas to look at my account after 3days of avoiding. It actually look quite pretty! Almost like Xmas…just without the green. 🙁
mine looks like the middle east
lol! never been …but I can picture it.
Check out GDXJ – Intraday .
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The right shoulder is being tested or at least stretched out. We need a break of the 36.07, but doesn’t look good so far.:-(
How about a falling wedge on that 5 minute chart : )
76.4% fib retrace??
We are there right now, maybe a smidge below.
i tried got stopped out .. will await a better breakout
Looked good at the time but now we retest the lows, guaranteed. Disheartening. It tried 🙁
Actually it is now making a higher low while gold is breaking to new lows.
There is hope
Yeah, I see that now. I’ve been living hope for awhile now, brother. One day soon we can turn that hope into cash!!! (I hope!)
so in all this AUMN up almost 3%? Eh?
Nice catch, thanks. Weekly looks nice.
Just thinking out loud : I think that some Miners like AUMN ( green almost all day) TRQ, NSU, and a few more are trying to tell us that this bull run isn’t over. They couldn’t sell them off on a day like this? A wash out day.
Look at the charts of NSU & TRQ for the past 3 days. Totally ignored Gold.
And NAK – it tried to fill that gap, but gave up & went higher.
I like what I am seeing.
Thanks Alex…was looking for a few stars in the group.
Yes, their charts show that they ignored the past 3 days selling. Not sure why, but they look pretty good.
I guess it has to start from somewhere but we were seeing similar performance a couple of days ago including more important stocks like HL and IAG
me too buying lots of my favorites while at docs office
agree… AKG “looks” like it may be done as well …
https://www.tradingview.com/x/EpoAl8GP/
I used to own those…
Another run at 99.12 for DXY, Still holding, now moving lower.
USD futures seems to have topped over the past hour and are dropping. They started the clock today at 98.83 and now they are coming down and at 98.97. The only red candles I want to see for the rest of the day.
Hi folks,
I am new here. Been a very pleased subscriber for 6 months and haven’t posted yet.
Haven’t chosen the happiest day for my first post…but good and bad news maybe….
GDXJ has closed its June gap @ 34
HUI closed a small April gap @ 180
Surely GDX has to close the gap @ 20?
But after that they are likely to bottom IMO, or hopefully a decent run up.
I really hope so.
Hi Simon , Thanks for posting.
Time will tell about that last gap down there. They usually do fill, but in 2008, GDX left some open gaps behind. They didnt fill for years. So there is a slight chance that GDX doesn’t have to go there.
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That is a really powerful argument. Goodness I hope you are right!!
If the ICL comes over the next few days I really hope it looks like the sort of upside reversals we saw in 2008!!
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Me too, Or Mid January. So many Miners doubled and tripled. it was like owning your own personal ATM for months : )
Funny, yes, thats how it seemed at the time!
I agree. A fall of this ferocity needs a while to level out, so I go with January or some time next year also. Similar action to last December/january.
Only concern is on some of my miners charts the price action has broken down out the falling wedges/chanels, equivalent to GDX breaking below its lower channel line at around 19/20. if that happens….yikes!
Anyway…have a great weekend!
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FWIW.. check out the weekly 10ema ribbon for JNUG.
just a coincidence?
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Great chart. Thanks.
Never seen that analysis before………..
its the 10 of the 10 of the 10 of the 10 etc, ad nauseum
It’s the very fabric of society as we know it!
of course you all knew i meant ‘ad infinitum’.
only just noticed this..
mustve been a Freudian slip as to how i felt earlier!
buttt.. very polite of you not to pick me up on it.. 😉
LGCY did this on the Daily, few weeks back.. thats when i bought.. and it was perfect place
i tell a lie.. it was the 20 ribbon, which was below the 10
FFS…i tell 2 lies.. it was the 5 ribbon .
F5..
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Surfs up at LGCY ocean
Pretty cool looking too
very cool sog
JNUG .. wave 2 shake out now?
probably gonna double bottom just to p!ss everyone off
Sure looks like it. Volume is lessening.
there is no life in these things today; it looks like pressure unto the close
I hope I have a enough vodka at home……….
I’m going to go get refills now…
#HB
I’m already pissed!
On a brighter note, anyone own Kirkland Lake Mines? Received a $1.4 billion takeover from GFI and SSRI
Only about half of the hourly hammer candles that I mentioned earlier have held. Not much joy there.
A small ray of hope. The H&S that Alex showed on the 5 min is not looking good, but may still be possible. SoG suggested at least a 76.4% retracement on the right shoulder and we are there.
Another ray of hope, Gold dipped down and making new lows, GDXJ still making higher low and MACD rising with divergence ( 5 minute chart).
I am getting several short term buys. The GDXJ 5 min has made a ‘local’ new high. Let’s hope this is it.
Had to leave for an appointment and came back to THIS geez
This is brutal… I hate to even look at how much I am down now…….
Yeah, I just pulled up one of my accounts….really really really wishing I had gotten out of market weeks before the election and stayed out until February, instead of buying more….
Yeah, If I had just detonated everything wed pre-market, whoo!
Yeah. Really. I just kept thinking…but, I want to have stocks, I don’t want to be left behind…..stay in stay in
On a happier note my marijuana stock went up by a penny….never mind that it fell a bunch yesterday….
this a full debacle and these things look like have alot further to go.. i mentioned RIC.. guess it makes sense now. this sector is for people that like pain and hate money which i am the ceo of that club.
The financial sector is up the most today – guess that is where folks are putting their money….
Let me tell you where it isn’t going…
Wait, a minute ago financials were up 8%…just now looked again and only up by .22%…what?
Wow, that was a quick change…..sectors that were quite green a minute ago are now barely green and holding on……things are just nuts I guess.
JNUG has largest volume day ever : 56 MM shares so far today
JDST matches the high volume of previous 5 high days
You would think that the institutions that have profited from this will be cashing in and closing positions prior to the weekend. That would create some sort of positive move towards the close, but we’ll see about that.
Refresh Update : I am not recommending buying, This is the mind of a day trader, not a long or medium term investor. One would buy JNUG hoping for a rally into the close. DAY TRADERS WOULD DO THIS WITH A TIGHT STOP knowing that this could go south fast.
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It does offer hope if we see a buying rally into the close. The daily would then be a possible reversal candle.
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i bought at 7.04.. got stopped out (again!) at 6.99.
just cant seem to catch that wave3 up which would take me into a safety zone!
Yeah, but that wave 3 should be so big that maybe catching “THE ABSOLUTE” lows isnt worth it on a 3x.
I struggle with that at times too, but right now I want to see some further evidence before I add. I do like this 1 day set up, but then there is always Monday. We could sell more then.
I know that $7 to $21+ JNUG beats $8.50 to $21+ ( or higher) , but at least by JNUG $8 we may have the start of some real short cover and buying.
do you think GDX can get back to 12. I would like to get some there
I will never say never.
We should get a bounce soon from a Daily cycle low. I’ll be watching to see how this one moves higher. If it just rolls over too, there is trouble in Precious Metals ville
Silver played ‘catch up’ awefully fast today.
well was thinking more on a smaller scale… if this is a wave1 off the bottom, i’m trying to catch a 1.iii after a 1.i &1.ii, if you get my drift.
getting a bit late in the day though..
Gotcha
GDX just dipped to new intraday lows. Maybe GDXJ is next
orrrrr….. bullish divergence?
GDXJ (holding up) vs GDX,, i mean
There goes GDXJ. Nothing is working. 🙁
us dollar Index looks great ,unless we see drastic change, gold will retest 2015 December low before you know it, so extreme
precaution required …….
I don’t remember if it was yesterdays report? Where I said about GDX , ” the lows are so close, I dont know why they wouldn’t run the stops at this point” . I said that because its such an easy way for big money to gain strong hand position if that’s what they want.
Well I hate to deliver bad news, but I was just looking at GOLD. We are so close to the MAY lows. I dont know why they wouldn’t run those. They just ran Miners right out of the market.
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with all due respect stop runs are later reversed with power to leave those stopped behind.. here we go lower and lower w/o a reversal. I dont call this stop running.
We havent broken the lows that I was pointing out on that gold chart
Oh, maybe you meant the miners.
one more thing, just to have a positive note before the week-end , this could be the trade of the century, make sure you keep
some dry powder .
theyre certainly pulling the elastic on the catapult to breaking point!
Copper looks like it finally may have topped
I wonder if i should even tell ya all this conversation I just had with my “Personal Banker” at JP Morgan Chase Bank, it relates to my “theory” of Manipulation:
He asked if he could manage some “funds” for me thru JP Morgan at a 1% annual fee…..hmmmm thinking to myself here is my opportunity….I told him Absolutely !!!…. with One Caveat: That He Mirrors the trades that JP Morgan Chases’ Trade Desk in NYC makes to the letter.
Anyone dare guess at his answer ?
I’m sorry sir, that will cost you 20%?
LOL !!!!
Might be worth it btw…. 😉
He asked if he could make a phone call to his “boss” I said sure, as I sat there listening to this one way discussion he turned white as a ghost….after he hung up he said that was Not possible but had plenty of other opportunities for me….I Respectfully Declined. 🙂
Why am I not surprised!? GEEEZ.
buy JNUG around 5.80 and sell it at 9.50, if this opportunity presents itself when the market is open , make sure you sell before the close , maybe next week .
So IF the news is right in saying that a Trump Presidency looks like higher interest rates are coming…..then is there any chance this will turn around? I know the argument for gold rising at same time as dollar…but….?
It is the news that get traders into trouble
And the selling continues.
what are you looking at? …..Gold seems to be curling upwards … GDXJ is possibly attempting d/t b/o again
No, it’s not. Both ETFs will close on the lows just like I said they would. You can try to hide the stripes, but a zebras is a zebra. That is just how these piles of sh!t work. Always has been, always will be. At least they areally predictable.
soz Cas.. we are prob looking at different time scales here..
im in 5min chart JNUG mode 🙂
GSS getting a bid for now
I’m looking at the “this blows” time frame.
JNUG is pushing up at my 5min breakout..
this could gap higher on monday.
or..
it could gap lower.
(see what i did there 🙂 )
Hey, look at GDXJ 30 min. Looks like a double bottom. Maybe all is not lost, 🙂
I got stopped out on my positions Today. I am now more confused than ever. What’s next? Buy? Wait for swing low? What if they run stops on gold below may lows? I am just not getting the right entry point here.
ok Q for Bill & Ken…
is this a falling knife?… and is there blood on the streets yet.?
i would say …..yes … 😀
No comment…. 😉
Yes. Freaking effing yes!!! I’m bleeding so I don’t give a crap if someone doesn’t agree!!!
This all about Bonds currently….imo.
If Bonds continue to head south:
Will the Fed raise rates on Dec. 14 ?
Or
Will the Fed Need a QE offering ?
Trump will start his Presidency with around 20 trillion of debt , at the same time he wants to rebuild the infrastructure all over USA , more money spending, I don’t see how they can raise rate , it ‘s more likely more money printing , am I wrong anyone ?
Nope….you are Not wrong….imo.
What if you eliminated a couple of Federal agencies like Commerce, and Education and called back the EPA? Giving most of this authority to the states.
Trump is an oddity in politics….no one knows what we’ll do…and he has Congressional majorities so he can actually get things done….it will be fascinating to watch. He may have some unusual solutions.
yes agreed, but where do you see the rate going up or down ?
Up. Market made that clear this what. Before pundits said S&P would plunge 8-9%. Oops, they were wrong!
barf times 10 today
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I’m trying to be objective like our fearless leader. I’m seeing pockets of strength eg. NAK, MUX, AUMN. Am I being too optimistic?
NAK and AUMN yes, you are right, but MUX is in free fall like the rest of them .
MUX strength? No. But I bought some at the close. Just if nothing else to react higher at least inside lower BB.
Earlier someone suggested that this is simply a wave 2 pullback. So I slapped Fibs on all of my stocks and they are mainly 50% down from the bull run from Dec/Jan. The only problem is that I didn’t buy any of them in Dec/Jan. All my purchases were at pullbacks from the Aug top. No wonder it doesn’t look like a simple wave 2 pullback to me.
Thanks to all for a great day. I did not plan to spend my day at the screen all day. I have been fasting for a blood test since 6 last evening. But you folks are such great company I couldn’t leave.
I just checked my account and it looks like there is a little rally going to wipe out part of a second terrible day loss.
Should I say I look forward to Monday?
Have a great weekend if you can. It’s only money. 🙂
Cheers, Gary
good attitude Gary. Hope your blood teat goes well. Life is much more than what we do here.
Gart, same situation here. Take care, looking forward to your sanguine comments next week.
Thank God this day is over. And the week. The low is very near. The last two days may have been the largest GDX volume days ever. If that’s not capitulation I don’t know what it is….
Amen to both of those!
I exited JDST mid-day and began trying to start a position in JNUG but stopped out with a spanking at the close.
GDX/J ended so weak that it just seems like there is more downside or sideways to go – however, we should get a great buying opportunity at some point. Maybe early next week?
Have a great weekend, all
But here is the issue. We have a rate hike in 1 month. What did gold do PRIOR to rate hike last year? What is Gold doing today when rates are going higher? I think the ACTUAL rate hike could put a low in just as it did in 2015. But until then do we sell into rallies? I mean, we can’t keep this up for 30 days. I know it wouldn’t be straight down, but negative action for a month and we won’t make it. My original argument to the OCT ICL and wave 2 end theory with that I couldn’t reconcile the proximate daily cycle timing with the Known Fed dates. Clearly I was right to be on guard but I didn’t hedge correctly even though I knew to do that.
Sold last 2/3 of LABU just before the close. I think XBI continues to test highs but after a day like today, I’m booking profits when and where I can. No reason to push it for a few more cents.
7/7 on LABU trades in 2016. But dear God don’t ask about my record in JNUG.
just came across Potash a few minutes ago , symbol POT , have look at it very promising , look at the weekly chart .
I just deleted a huge comment. I’ll discuss more in the weekned report, have a good one
I took a good hit on this drop too. It was not supposed to break Oct lows, based on Silver, lat, Palladium, etc – so I got caught too.
We will make it back : )
Can’t wait till weekend 🙂 please post it again. 🙂
you too Alex.
that was my worst week since April 2013!
but unlike then,… coz im here, surrounded by you rabble,.. i feel more able to jump back in at reversals 🙂
Alex, it is noticed and respected that you put your money where your mouth us (unlike Ken’s JP Morgan story). We’ll have to stay a bit frostier next time. I can’t think of last sell off like this where I didn’t hedge quickly enough. Guess I just had my bull goggles on.
It is a true experience Cason…..ask and see if you get the same answer from your banker !
Oh, I definitely believe you. My brother works for Chase, but he’s business banking/loans, not on the securities side.
Question for you Alex. Hello Alex. I am so sorry for everyone’s loss in the markets this week. I have been working and haven’t read the ton of comments yet. I went back to 2008/2009/2010 to try to find the date(s) we mirror right now. I am having a little trouble finding that point. I know we have touched on that many times sometimes transposing the dates. If its not a lot of trouble, can you help me in the right direction? Thank you.
Hey Johnny, that is exactly what I was trying to do last night. Would love to hear if you or any others agree. I was looking at GDX 5 year chart looking for oversold by RSI (5) and absolute magnitude of lower BB crash.
Top answer? Nov ’14. I remember that low like it was last night, man. Most oversold conditions since the 2013 catastrophe, a rally, double bottom, huge rally and and roll over into 2015. Next is July ’15. 3rd place would be Dec ’15/death of the bear. All of these oversold ratings on RSI led to at least a 3 point GDX rally. But that is in the bear market. Not sure the reaction now. Seems we should have some snap back. At this point it is at least mathematics. I ain’t guaranteeing Monday, but it can’t stay this oversold forever.
Here’s what we as a group need to figure out. Was that/or Monday- the end of this ICL drop?? Or can this bad period extend until the next rate hike? Did the US election really change the outlook for interest rates globally or is this a quick flash in the plan over-reaction? Once we know that, we either sell the pop and wait for clarity or we know we’re “golden” to stay long. Issue being most of us are already pretty long. I was raising cash Friday just in case. What you think, J?
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You are so funny!
If I wasn’t I would have jumped off of Moe’so building yesterday.
To all my fellow chartfreaks who are probably in as much financial pain as I am today….try this…just pull up a 6 month chart and a 4 year chart for each of your holdings. Get a little perspective. It may take more time, but most have plenty of room way up there! I’m doing it now.
Just back to my screen – I will go do that now…..:)
Ok, well, I pulled up MUX… 4 yr….the first thing that jumped out at me was the pop up in April of 2014….how that went above the highs all through 2014…..so it could have looked like the bear was over……but…..then a lower high in June/July….then it kept falling through 2015 – was that what I was supposed to notice? : 🙂
I have SO MANY stocks that I just finished and closed up my charts. In general, 4 years ago the majority of my stocks were up way beyond my cost basis. Some of my miners are newer and were at their highest just recently. But in general, I see that they have plenty of gain up above. I also like to look at the vol on the 6 mos….I like to see days of red getting less…I feel like the bad is wearing out and a turn is soon. I also like a tool called Williams % ? [can’t remember its name exactly Tammie and I don’t want to open again as I am getting ready to go make myself a darn nice drinkie-poo! But I like to watch that as it seems to turn just when things are starting to change. So if it is crashed down to the bottom and starting to curl up, I have observed things usually turn up. Have a good weekend.
Thanks, you too! 🙂
The AXU and GORO charts are encouraging….:)
Wow, look at a 5 yr. of AG…..! What a fall this time huge! Not sure what that means in the grand scheme of things?
When the big manipulators get ready, we’ll see the sector rise. I am a believer in patience long term….but am impatient waiting!
fyi Cason… i also posted that Dust possibility as well………………………………..
Maria SonOfGud a month ago
hmmmmm .. sooo this somewhat jives w/ my dust chart from yesterday…?
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refresh … i had to fix that link…
Ok, I have completely edited all prior links to comments to say “Ken AND MARIA” had it correct. I’ve also mailed you a hammer. Next time I don’t seem to get it, can you use that to get my attention? :O
So, you saved your account from destruction yesterday? Good work. I need renew my membership to Maria’s Box Charting Service!
No, seriously some charts are thrown up pretty whimsically. I’m the guy who needa large flashing red lights saying BEWARE!!! UGH!!
no … i am red in my positions as well… up large for 2016 .. but down from my peak unfortunately .. but .. this is the biznezzzz … if we could predict 100% of the moves we sure wouldn’t be here ;o)
good news is …. there’s always another trade…
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oh and ….
#MyBox 😉
WORKING ON THE WEEKEND REPORT
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HERE IS A CHART from that report to show that Gold is at resistance overhead resistance and a form of support too. You will understand this chart better in the report, because it is #3 of 3 charts on this subject.
A break out higher above that resistance from here could be huge ( Wave 3 for you E.W. fans) and this shake out period could be just that. Inflation may be coming, and this is to shake off the weak hands.
This report needs extensive research and tons of time, so I dont expect it to be out until Sunday night. There will be over 44 charts so far. Enjoy your weekend!
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I’m up to 50 charts in the report now. leave no stone un-turned : )
Omg
Thanks for never giving up! I keep looking at what CLF did this past month. That was a quick and scary drop that no one wanted to buy ….. Look where it is now … If only we had bought the fear (easier said than done)
Yes! I put THAT in the report last night too. It may be an important an example to learn from.
Thanks for all your hard work – it is much appreciated! 🙂
Mayyyyyybe u could give us part 1 and 2 …. Yes please daddy 😉 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b073f09ec9c6f2a1fb6d3beedaafb42de335e98e7bf99dee3f4d3b85b18a9378.gif