I See More Than Just One Out There

Well Wednesday was pretty crazy in the markets to say the least. Nothing has changed in my analyses however. I still think that we are seeing several Bulls ready to run. Let’s get right to the charts and see what we can discern from the extreme moves that took place Yesterday.

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SPX – This is amazing when you think about it. We were expecting an ICL, and I mentioned that we had one in place.

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This is the amazing part.  If you look at this chart a year from now, you may not notice anything out of the ordinary at this time period. It all looks like things are playing out as expected ( and they are), but as you now know, pre-market trading saw almost a 1000 point spread in the Dow, The SPX broke the lows in pre-market, etc. CRAZY.

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USD – Are you kidding me? The USD dropped to the 200sma and then recovered back above the 10sma?  I was expecting the USD to roll over soon, we’ll have to give this more time to see how it plays out, but that was a pretty bullish looking move.

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My OIL chart from Tuesday was mixed.  We had the timing in place for a dcl, but the move was rather muted and could be a bear flag. I only expect a bounce out of this dcl for reasons mentioned in prior reports. That has not changed. I wanted to see a move above the 10sma for confirmation of some strength. I did also point out that some Energy stocks were looking bullish.

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WTIC – No change to speak of yet, but we did get a new low on day 35. I think that this bounce could get to the 50sma, but can it go much higher? I still think this is set up to roll over later, for reasons mentioned in prior reports.

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On Nov 7th, I pointed out that some energy stocks do look appealing and the XLE is moving higher ahead of oil ( leading).

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Nov 9th we saw follow through.  I then noticed that in the past, the XLE has been Popping & running, abut then rolling over.  No follow through, so I am watching for 72 to act as resistance.

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My Oct 17th chart shows that we did drop to the bottom of this channel when we dropped to 67 last week, and now 72 -73 could be an area to watch for a top. XLE hit 71 yesterday. XLE is in an uptrend,  buy low, sell high.

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Gold – Gold went crazy yesterday. It shot up to $1340 and dropped all the way back to red. Miners remained green again.

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SILVER – This chart is not quite as extreme.  Silver has actually been climbing along the 10sma so far.

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What about our Miners? I want to use this chart as a reminder.  Monday Nov 7th – when Gold dropped $25,  Miners held up. I think that they are trying to bottom here, I do not expect them to sell off very much if they do drop.

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GDX –  This still looks like what we saw at Brexit ( Blue circle) . After Brexit, GDX went sideways for basically 5 days and then continued higher. GDX yesterday closed above the 200sma.  My point isn’t that we will now definitely go sideways like we did at Brexit.  My point is that with the strong surprising move at Brexit, we got a black candle that did NOT lead to a sell off.   People are saying that the black candle means Miners will sell off, so they sold everything.  I still expect higher price in time, and I do not expect a big sell off. 

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Notice here that many Miners were higher.  Yes, it was disappointing when you wake up to Gold up $50 and see Gold eventually close red, but I’m not thinking that anything changed in our big picture. We kind of got what I have been expecting, but we got it all in one day and then it was sold off in the same day.  That didn’t change my outlook, it may have confirmed it.  I still expect a move higher in Precious Metals. I will explain a bit further.

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Yes, Miners made some small gains, but look at other Metals stocks. I do hear some saying that Steel and Copper Moved higher because…  “It is because Trump won, and …” .    Wait. Weren’t we pointing out the bullish set up in Steel and Copper here well over a week ago, before anyone thought Trump would definitely win?  If so, the expected move may have simply sped up.  Also , if we see that kind of follow through, the expected move in Precious Metals may be right behind it too.

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Lets Review

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Steel tagged the 200sma and bounced in September. Steel stocks started to act bullishly

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 COPPER – I pointed out over a week ago ( before a Trump win)  that Copper broke out from a solid base and had a Very Bullish set up.  The Metals were setting up like the Bulls in the opening picture.  Just kind of standing around for weeks, but they looked like they could get up & run at anytime.

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COPPER –  This was also pointed out before the election. This break & run occurred all last week into this Monday.

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COPPER –  And boom! The move started weeks ago, as you can see. Now the news says that “Copper surged, because trump….”  I love it.  The set up was there and the break out was already taking place too.

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STEEL –  And Boom! Steel has been higher for 5 straight days.

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AND BOOM!  I did NOT think that the steel stocks would do this, despite pointing out that they were moving nicely higher out of bullish set ups. These are crazy big moves for the steel stocks. So, can our Miners do this too?

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So I have to wonder, are our Miners going to do this?

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I have a theory.  Disclaimer: I may be wrong, that’s why it is a theory 🙂

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The set up was already in place weeks ago,  as I have pointed out here. The moves were likely to happen to the upside over time, but they happened all at once with the Trump election.  Why? 

Is his election and his open hatred of the Fed a cause for concern that his policy would speed up future inflation? If this is a sign of Inflation, Miners should pop too.

Is this is a sign that Trumps policies ( Maybe with China) will affect trade and metals?  If so, Miners could still pop like this, or at least continue to move higher over the projected path in time.

Time will tell, but I do want to point one last thing out to you.

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I mentioned that the set up was already there. The move would have come to the upside anyway, a catalyst may have sped it up.  So now look at the set up that was there.

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This was Steel bouncing along the 200sma after a strong run higher and then boom!

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This is Gold bouncing along the 200sma after a strong run higher. These charts are practically twins. I’m not selling my Miners.

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~ALEX

175 replies
  1. Marco
    Marco says:

    Seems like the USD will run higher with higher bond yields driven by more deficit spending under Trump. If this is the case, why shouldn’t metals drop with this and the higher likelihood of recession (not to mention the negative effects of a trade war with Mex and China)

  2. Bill
    Bill says:

    Alex, what do you think of the Pharma sector? Fundamentally, I believe they sold off on fear the Hillary would win. Technically, looks good to me.

  3. R Byram
    R Byram says:

    I have been using the Nasdaq to watch the extended markets, but it gets really bogged down in the morning. Is there another, better place to watch the pre and after markets?

  4. R Byram
    R Byram says:

    Just had a quick peak at a summary of the RIC report. They have had a big decline in everything and have the highest AISC I have seen. I don’t own it so am not going to bother looking any further.

    • Tammie
      Tammie says:

      Yes, guess it would probably be a good day to add, huh? I wish I could….have extra to do so, but geez just too afraid to do it….guess that is a good sign.

  5. deshy
    deshy says:

    ahhh…what happened to VGZ?? Seen enough today. Shutting computer off and going to look for more positive outlets. 🙂

    • SonOfGud
      SonOfGud says:

      getting some reversal pickup now.. hoping i recognize an ending truncated wave 5 here (5min chart), but could still be the ‘falling knife’

  6. Geurt.
    Geurt. says:

    Thanks ALEX for your report, where oh where is our dear friend?
    Like to see some comments form you here below!
    Again… thank-you !!!

  7. chartfreak1
    chartfreak1 says:

    Just dropping by for a moment – I will be back around mid day.

    New low in Gold today for this daily cycle. That is fine for day 24.

    We ideally would like to see a lower low in Gold today, to ease the requirements of a swing low.
    We have that lower low, and then a move higher could put a swing in Friday or next week. We are on day 24, so the timing for a dcl is good ( but the bad news is…it can go down further since the ICL was further down).

    You can see that todays drop drawn on this chart is totally normal looking. Some Miners are taking it on the chin though : (

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b27acde8b582f00bd8d7c77036ef038a7ddcd1e5b77fa37230aa2a1137036bd5.jpg

    REFRESH

  8. Edward Bernhart
    Edward Bernhart says:

    Here is a hypothetical: If the chance of a rate hike in December is very high due to the election, the
    Fed funds futures sold off yesterday and the market is believing in rate hikes, Where does gold go and our miners follow? I’m looking for answers.

      • Edward Bernhart
        Edward Bernhart says:

        I did find this in Investopedia: “Despite widespread popular belief of a strong negative correlation between interest rates and the price of gold , a long-term review of the respective paths and trends of interest rates and gold prices reveals that no such relationship actually exists. The correlation between interest rates and the price of gold over the past half century, from 1970 to 2015, has only been about 28%, which is considered to be not much of a significant correlation at all.

        Given the historical tendencies of the actual reactions of stock market prices and gold prices to interest rate increases, the likelihood is greater that stock prices will be negatively impacted by rising interest rates and that gold may in fact benefit as an alternative investment to equities.”

        So given this I guess I’m still left scratching my head and remembering what Alex might say, as to there will always be explanations for wiggles after the fact.

        • chartfreak1
          chartfreak1 says:

          Hi Ed

          I did a write up on this because in Dec 2015 this was a major concern for readers here. I am thinking that that report was probably in Dec of 2015, but I’ll have to look for it. ( Interest rates were raised in the past and Gold was in a bull market and remained there)

          I will try to find it, but the bottom line was that I showed past interest rates and Gold went higher.

          • R Byram
            R Byram says:

            The impact of higher interest rates, which in turn impact capitalization rates, on commercial real estate is astronomically negative. The picture is opaque with corporate values, but it is the same.

    • Cason
      Cason says:

      Also, as long as we have inflation outpace rate hikes, the nominal real rate remains negative, which is positive for gold. The issue I have is the timing. We can’t wait out a DCL until the rate hike, that timing doesn’t work. Last time we had the ICL about when the rate hike but it took a month before that took hold and we really went up for real. I can’t hold out like this until January, I’d go bankrupt first.

  9. R Byram
    R Byram says:

    I pretty sure Alex is out chopping wood again today – if he is it’s a good sign. He knows how to leave the screen alone on days like today.

    • chartfreak1
      chartfreak1 says:

      Hi R.B.

      Yes, busy with other things, but I keep my phone by my side and keep checking Gold , Silver, Miners.
      I’m addicted too. 🙂

      SO I am a little confused with Silver up 25 cents, and Gold down $11 or so, and Miners not leading the way higher with a reversal. I’d like to see GDX reverse higher, but the timing may allow for further downside.

      The biggest thing bugging me today are the Miners. GPL is break even, NSU, TRQ, NRP are green ( NRP is big time bullish). GDX is down on heavy volume. I understand ‘seeking out a dcl’ is usually a scary affair and can drop for a couple of days in a big way, and then reverse and suddenly everything is a lot higher once everyone is shaken out, but with other Metals rocketing higher, I’d like to see Miners resist the downside. .

      What I don’t like is ABX ( debt tender offer) and GG dropping on such big volume at 1/2 a day. They dag GDX down.

      So GDX has huge volume for 1/2 a day. GDXJ looks a little better above the 200sma. Silver is Green, Gold is red. Just a mixed bag of tricks so far.

      • R Byram
        R Byram says:

        I think you were pretty clear on timing for this DCL, and we may not quite be there yet. We all got distracted by the news but (time will tell) this may be playing out as you called it – just with a smaller first DC. I’m not panicking and not letting stops get hit today. You know I’m just ribbing you about the wood chopping thing – it’s just a euphemism for staying calm while the market wiggles.

    • chartfreak1
      chartfreak1 says:

      I don’t blame you. They did an offering , the dreaded offering : (

      – I own it too. It is dropping right down to the 200sma. RIC, H:L, AXU are taking a hit too.

  10. Glmus
    Glmus says:

    If there is such a thing as relative joy, check these MJ stocks out:
    CNBX -43%, CBIS -27%, MJNA -23%, MCIG -30%, CVIS -22%

  11. MarkM
    MarkM says:

    Any concerns that the DCL is not ahead – but the ICL? While I know we all expected the ICL completed in October, GDX is a small .75 away from new lows for this move. Thoughts?

    • chartfreak1
      chartfreak1 says:

      I would say that the ICL is in. We measure cycles by the action of the Metal ( Gold) , unfortunately, miners can break lows because they move in an exaggerated extreme at times.

      It is not likely that the ICL is ahead, because this daily cycle is extremely right translated.

    • kathleenchow
      kathleenchow says:

      You’ve mentioned buying JNUG to ride the 2nd DC. I was just wondering, do you usually buy when it feels like this or when the cycle’s confirmed to have started? Thanks:)

    • chartfreak1
      chartfreak1 says:

      Right now, I am getting feedback that I often get at a dcl. If we can get buying & short cover into the close….

      .” Then you’re saying there’s a chance?”

      • Ken
        Ken says:

        If Gold breaks 1243 to the down side would that not change your cycle count into an ICL at that low vs. your current ICL in Oct. ?

        • chartfreak1
          chartfreak1 says:

          Yes, There is no way that those lows should be taken out , if that is to be viewed as an ICL.

          The hallmarks of an ICL are in place, it looks like a guarantee right translated daily cycle, so this should be a drop into a higher low.

          If those lows are taken out, I would really need to look at everything much closer. I feel that the identifying marks of an ICL are in place, so it really would signal an odd change has developed.

          • Ken
            Ken says:

            To be honest I have left that possibility open, hence the reason I have not added to my Metal positions for quite some time. The Oct. ICL seems to early for my eyes……..bear in mind I hope that the Oct. low holds for sure !!!

          • Ken
            Ken says:

            You are correct it would not be “too early”, bad phrase. sorry….. 🙂
            If Tues. nights gains would have held then that Oct. low would be the ICL for sure!! but since those gains have been given back “rather quickly” (to say the least) I am now again thinking an ICL is still possible in Nov.

          • chartfreak1
            chartfreak1 says:

            I guess it could be, but The problem is that this would be the 4th or 5th final daily cycle, making cycle highs on day 24, breaking trend lines, etc .

            It would be the oddest 4th daily cycle I’ve ever seen, they are usually weak and troubled.

          • Ken
            Ken says:

            Sigh….I hear you hence the frustration.
            I am going to see if breaks those Oct. lows, if it does I will Hedge There then add again at that new ICL low….just me though.

    • Cason
      Cason says:

      We’re only pennies away from a new little in GDX. I know we’re keying off gold, but it ain’t much further.

  12. Edward Bernhart
    Edward Bernhart says:

    If this smack-down is designed to to produce humility in miner owners they have accomplished their goal. I’m beginning to feel like the red-headed step child.

  13. Tammie
    Tammie says:

    I started to by JDST this morning when it was up $2 already…but thought oh geez, it’s already up so much, I better not, as soon as I do it’ll reverse. Now it’s up $5.

  14. Glmus
    Glmus says:

    Just curious. Has anyone ever had a worse day? Did anyone have a good day? This feels like the end of a bear market, except that it didn’t reverse.

    • pankef
      pankef says:

      I don’t want to say that this type of price action in the miners is “normal” but let’s just say it not “uncommon”. This group is by far the most schizophrenic sector where one can experience a high like no other and despair (like today). The pendulum goes from one extreme to another and if one chooses to partake he/she must be financially prepared for take-downs. Personally, I try to take things in “stride” but must admit that no matter how many years I have been at this game, days like today are NOT fun at all. I haven’t liked the price action over the past couple of days but have held on because I am not a “trader” but prefer to focus on the intermediate term. From that perspective, many of the miners have excellent weekly charts yet the caveat is that they can correct significantly more and not do any damage to those charts. I HOPE that is not the case otherwise and believe that XMAS may be a joyous time for metals in general

      • marinho
        marinho says:

        something strange for sure in this cycle. Fortunately when I feel the cycle is peaked I learned not to hold too much, so very little loss for me, actually some of my beat up juniors like GGIFF went up 10% offsetting other junior falling.
        big question is this first DC and would undercut ICL or is this final cycle before ICL.

  15. LeChiffre
    LeChiffre says:

    pretty shitty day. wow, was not expecting that. my BAA is just throwing up every day. TGD second offering (sold at the open), GPL (biggest position) kind of held its ground. CDE just sick, heading straight to 200MA. Metals not so shinny. Markets out of whack. Hard to read. Hope to find peace with the rest of my day. Have a great evening to all.

    • Cason
      Cason says:

      Hopefully. I did get lucky timing in my retirement account, just cashed out bunch of bonds to overweight S&P and Russell.

  16. Shermo
    Shermo says:

    Trading gold over silver in the metals as it seems with a stronger set of changes coming that will cause inflation so silver should outperform gold. I think we are seeing confirmation today.

    • Cason
      Cason says:

      I’m actually trading both. Due to lower volatility, I’ll often trade GLD calls, they don’t get the extraordinary time premium others due and they are exceedingly liquid, highest liquidity options in the complex. For silver, I usually default to AGQ as well. I own some currently.

  17. Shermo
    Shermo says:

    In a deflationary environment I prefer gold. In an inflationary environment I prefer silver. With the rate cycle bottoming I can see how silver can rise even if gold goes down. Agq my new trading vehicle for the straight metals.

  18. alain
    alain says:

    probably not in a straight line , but we might retest December 2013 low ,talking about the miners GDX of course !

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