Wash Day
The Bullish love for Miners over the past few months took a bit of a drubbing Wednesday. We didn’t see the sellers using the gentle cycle to try to wash away the sentiment, it seems that they may have pulled out that wash board and vigorously scrubbed away at it. Many seemed to be heading for the exits. We’ll discuss this further, but first…
The General markets sold down a bit, but we are still within the same consolidation that I’ve been pointing to for weeks. Any further selling should seek out the dcl that we have been expecting now.
SPX –
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USD – The USD should roll over soon, it bottomed in May. For now I would expect a break above the trend line and the 10 sma. It may hit resistance at the 50sma. Of course, we look at this and try to figure out what Gold might do if they are correlated, but it remains a tad cloudy. Was the dcl where my 3rd arrow is? If so the Dollar should POP higher for a bit with Jackson hole. Was the dcl at the blue dotted line? It never broke the trend line, but it did close above the 10sma. If it was a dcl then, it could roll over at anytime and save Gold.
WTIC – As expected, a drop to the 10sma. It might tag the 50sma as a back test, I expect it to find support soon. Inventory reports have people thinking Oil will drop to the low 30’s again, and you know when Oil rises they’ll say something bullish about supply too. The plan is to buy the dips at low risk entry, stop out if necessary ( below the 50sma for example).
I want to explain that nothing has changed in my out look for Oil & Energy stocks, because nothing has changed in the charts. I was asked if we should be selling with Oil stocks joining Miners in the sell off. Are they joining miners in the same sell off?
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XLE
RICE – Bullish
ECA – Bullish
CPE – Bullish
LPI – Bull Flag shown here, and it was down 1 penny Wednesday.
PGH – Dropped 7 cents, but remains healthy.
So with Energy stocks, we are looking to buy the dips at support levels, and we are looking to own them for a while unless they violate support.
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NATTY – Possible break out coming up.
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We are moving on to GOLD & MINERS. SO MUCH running through my head, so many ideas. It was a Crazy day for Miners, but Gold didnt drop with the same severity. There are a few scenarios that can play out, but how can one know for sure? Only by looking for clues as it plays out. For right now it is a matter of observations and possibilities based on historical evidence or past experience. Miners are getting crushed this week , and yet Gold isn’t.
1. Will Gold get crushed next, maybe as Yellen speaks at Jackson Hole?
2. Will Gold get crushed and now Miners will just go sideways and bottom?
3. Will Miners bounce here or continue lower?
Some Miners ran much stronger than gold, and may be simply correcting much harder too. Miners broke their last dcl, and Gold hasn’t ( yet). I have a few ideas of how this could play out based on what I have seen in the past, and I will explain it in the weekend report. For now, Miners are due for a bounce very soon. Lets take a look…
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GOLD – Gold losing $16 is no big deal, right? It is not a failed daily cycle at this point and if Gold holds up on Thursday and then rallies out of Fridays Jackson hole meeting, then Gold will look different than Miners. GOLD IS NOT UGLY AT THIS POINT, but Miners failed today. Are Miners leading? Or are Miners just setting up a little differently? Either scenario makes sense, so we need a little more time. NOTICE GOLD breaking the B.B. in May. That didn’t stop it, it dropped for 5 more days, so Gold breaking the B.B. now & Jackson hole may just keep the selling going with the USD bouncing.
SILVER – Silver had a Bollinger Band crash 2 days ago, but it continues down. Look at what happened in May. The B.B. crash stopped at the 50sma and people bought it. Then it sold off for 2 more weeks. People trying to catch that low in a B.B. Crash caught the 1/2 way point. We still have Jackson Hole & a possible $USD bounce ahead of us. Jackson Hole may save the selling in Gold & Silver, or maybe the Miners are leading and the selling would continue into next week after The Fridays Yellen speech. We need a bit of time here.
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GDX – I’ll start with a chart that I posted in the comments section before the prior lows were broken. Read the chart .
GDX broke those $27.44 lows. I actually got a ‘buy signal’ in GDX Wednesday at the close using 3 different methods. One of those methods is extremely rare and works 97% of the time when back tested. It doesn’t state THE low is in, just that at such extremes, the trade will go positive in the next few days. So buying todays lows using that method simply means that GDX will be higher than todays close soon. I used to take this trade every time it triggered, I did not take it yesterday.
BEFORE THE MARKETS CLOSED, I drew these possible scenarios. Since then I have had a few other ideas that might change this, and I will explain later. Again, having 2 or 3 scenarios is fine at this point, and they narrow down with observations as time plays out. For now, I still expect a bounce for another daily cycle.
Notice how this would look like a double bottom with the MAY lows, and many people do not believe that Miners should drop THAT far if they have been so bullish. They will think that “Something is wrong” and Miners are going to break down. They will not dare to buy, they will be saying that Miners are broken. CAN IT DOUBLE BOTTOM LIKE THAT?
GDX did just that in 2008-2010 run higher, as shown. It was almost a double bottom type sell off at the prior ICL.
THIS STRIKES ME AS ODD– We are seeing extreme selling in Miners that we usually saw at ICL’s in the bear market times, but timing seems to be too early for a drop into an ICL. THIS is what I am most keenly interested in, this is what I will be studying. I have ideas that need a bit more research.
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That extreme selling has been found in just about all SILVER stocks Wednesday. The sell right now is steeper than Bear market drops, but again, that may be due to the strong run up. Check out these Silver stocks. Water falls.
SO I expect a bounce in Miners soon, but it may just be a 4th daily cycle and a drop into the ICL as I have been discussing. That bounce would top anywhere from day 8-12 usually, but you can still get a decent rally, especially after such extreme selling. Some might lighten up if they got hurt badly yesterday and held on. TRADERS may want to take some short term ‘Miners long’ trades if they see a set up, but for others, waiting for clarity could be best. We have the Fed Speech Friday to consider. For now I am still looking to buy Oil & Energy stocks as they play out in what appears to be a bullish pull back. Try to look for reversals in support areas, and dont just jump in as they sell off.
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~ALEX
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I wanted to point out NAK. I am not recommending it as a buy, but experienced traders in front of the screen all day may want to take note of this. I have been pointing out how NAK is holding the 20sma with each daily sell off.




























So are you stopped out of miners here waiting for signal or still holding core position?
Hi Ann,
Core is a whole separate idea, no longer affected by price action, it is based on the idea that a BULL market has started – We caught the lows, and have decided to buy & hold through the bull market. . It is not traded. Some of my core was purchased back when I was encouraging others to take core positions for the long run. For example: I was discussing RIC, LSG, BAA, etc over a yr ago as core positions, because they bottomed yrs ago. One of the main reasons for a core position ( In the U.S. and other countries) is that you will pay taxes at a higher rate if you hold for less than 1 yr. The goal is to avoid paying higher taxes on large gains ( Some of my picks were up 700% ) , ignore & ride the waves through the bull market. As long as we remain in a bull market – I will have a core.
Others need to make a plan that fits their investing goals. They will need to decide what they are doing and why, but that is what I am doing and why with a core. It is investing in Miners for the long haul vs trading and scalping gains shorter term. I do both.
thanks
chief, how much is the tax in the US if you sell stocks within a year ?
are you able to deduct losses which you sold within that year?
Hi Ray
You can deduct losses or equal out some gains with them.
The rates vary based on income, but off the top of my head, I think you pay 20 -25% for short term,
15% for long term. – So it could be a 10%+ difference.
There is more info on it here.
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/101515/comparing-longterm-vs-shortterm-capital-gain-tax-rates.asp
Great report, Alex – Thanks
FTMNF – Lundin Gold is a stock I’ve been wanting to buy & hold based on fundamentals. Yesterday, it was unaffected by the selloff – and this morning in pre-market, it’s down a few cents and is sitting on the 50day MA. Might be a good candidate, even if it’s just for a possible bounce into a DCH
Thanks Cal…
Similar to my PLGTF ( Pilot Gold). It has dropped back to a recent consolidation zone, but I like it and may add if this area holds.
TRQ – I watched it through the day and it stayed firm – tiny drop. I wonder if it is the stocks held by GDXJ and GDX that took the big hit?
Great report Alex. Something we all look forward to reading after a day like Yesterday.
Thanks Bill
After a day like that, I have so many ideas and possibilities of what could be happening, that it is hard to know where to start, and what to leave in, what to leave out. That sell off in Miners yesterday with Gold only down $16 looked much more like an ICL sell off…certainly not what I was expecting until Sept.
alex- no reason it can’t be early tho.. its like that 1 day cycle top in sep of 14.. these things happen from time to time.
We haven’t seen selling like that since the BEAR
if you recite ‘the BEAR’ three times in front of a mirror, it will come true.
lucky you didnt buy LABU on wednesday, to enhance the pain
Wow – I didnt even see that ( XBI )
I bought LABU, up three days in a row, looking good then slam. I’m at a small loss right now. Its bouncing Today. I’ll watch it for a while.
same…
#HB
I’m looking at it as a retest of the break out. For now! #HB 🙂
mornin chotfreak… another solid report… thank u sweets…
Morning Moreeah, Thx.
What does your #HB stand for?
I binged it and got everything from HUG BACK to HALF BAKED
I assumed you were looking for a Holler Back
Long story, don’t ask………
watching the ticks and generally prices dropped a bit and now seem to be firming up – GDX, GDXJ are both green
has DUST done a split or summat?
up 400%??
Yes, along with these…refresh, it was in my report 8-23
I copied a post by Conrad
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lol.. ok.. i was regretting not buying yesterday for a moment
information going in one ear, out the other.
Yeah, a 400% trade is great every now and then : )
is DUST actually down relative to yesterday then?
GDX is up .. so presuming NUGT up & DUST down
look at AUMN go
sooo .. hmm .. back to my ‘this is 4’ count??
https://new.tradingview.com/x/2O4qthO6/
could be, mama maria
🙂 i luv all these pet names i have here in CFland.. 😉
so labu has same count? is that correct? (anyone chime in please) 😉
https://new.tradingview.com/x/jSJtfGSj/
That would work for me Tonto…… 🙂
4 and 5 look good! I’d do 1 as an A-(irregular flat)B-C then 2 bottoms at end of May then 3-4 as you have it. 🙂
I bought it…volume strong, broke down trend
#CALLMECRAZY
Refresh ……………Just a trade for now
Added to AREX at the open too.
i just bought on the pullback to 0.74..
will watch it like a hawk
LIKE A HAWK 4 sure : )
Edit: And boom, there it goes higher again – 500,000 volume 1 hr into the day. 700,000 on the sell off yesterday. I like that .
Yea….Very Nice….I still own it maybe I will add
So Kenneth is the stock picker, Ken is the E. W. / options guy?
Same person here , right?
Oh No…..your the stock picker I then just verify the debt then Buy…… lol 🙂
But……Janet is speaking in Wy. and most likely will state planned Rate Hikes in December so……that will Not be good for Metals short term is what I am thinking………………
Speaking tomorrow……
I’m thinking they will not do anything that could put a democrat victory at risk. If I am reading this right from north of the border, the powers that be will do everything to keep trump from winning, so I expect status quo tomorrow, with nothing that could possibly rile the markets.
Most certainly another possibility……
The Fed certainly has protected the SM from a natural correction since 2009 so …..
True True…Or….. she says, ” Inflation increased more than we expected, so we may need to hike rates” and ‘inflation increased’ spikes Gold.
LOL……True True
Which one Drops the USD ?
It is finding resistance at the 10sma, but that can give way after a few hits ( Hopefully)
the long term Elliot wave count shows tremendous potential.. I think this is a stock you buy and treat almost as a call option and put it away and avoid over trading the wiggles.. obv the key is to not trade to big.. for me its a 3 percent position in my trading account which I plan to hold for a long time hopefully..
I jumped in again too…like the spike at the end of the day! Vol 1.3 million.
Above the 50sma, and about a 50% retrace from the Jan lows to the peak. I was looking at it last night and decided to watch that one and THM, TRX, MUX, etc this a.m. and see if I see a reversal and volume surge.
AUMN came in heavy in the first 15 minutes -so I took a chance
Best wishes to us during Jackson hole volatility : )
GDX is being a good girl and trying to get back into the BB.
Tightening up Stop to protect profit…………….
I should have just sold this morning but I held. Oops.
I’m really liking the AREX set up on a 3 yr wkly.
Daily looking good too.
Good post
Thx RG
Picked up BTE at buy target here under $4.95, hoping we’re near the bottom on the oil pull back but I’d had $44.80 as break point for me just showing decent strength at $46.63 area.
Somebody just bought 6400 GDX Dec 16 calls $27 strike , $2.94
Be nice to see oil break out to the upside on this 60 min chart, $47.75 target maybe,
Trying now
Looks like the last 2 fed meetings/statements caused oil to drop for a day or 2 and recovered after that….really want to jump in on some sale prices but thinking maybe I’ll wait…..hard to know which way it might swing…don’t want to get caught in a quick downdraft….don’t want to miss a spike up…..I just want it all don’t I? 🙂
Tammie- word on the street here (I’m in DC) is that is is highly unlikely that the Feds will raise rates purely on the basis that it’s too close to the election. This kind of scare to shake out weak hands happens every friggen time ….
Thanks, Crystal – that’s what I’m figuring….hoping….I looked up some statistics and it seems the inflation rate fell in July so going with that in mind (in addition to the election angle) it is hopeful that they’ll not only not raise rates now, but perhaps not be very hawkish in their statements about the upcoming months….I was thinking yesterday while watching everything fall that it sure looked like a dump so shares would be down and could be scooped up in time for the fed statement that would push everything back up….but…..just couldn’t bring myself to load up very heavily today even with that in mind…..cuz’ you never know….I did dip in a little 🙂
After Janet speaks tomorrow I will be looking to purchase IBB and XLE……both could be LT holds.
GDX Call trade from eod purchase yesterday…..do I sell or hold ? Since I have plenty “skin” in the game I will most likely sell by eod, I do not want to get caught in a gap down tomorrow morning…….
Yeah, the “bounce” to $28;then subsequent sell off has me nervous as well, but I platform showed 6400 Dec $27 strike calls sold today at $2.95,,that a little more than $1.8 million,,??
yea chk. out Dec. 28 Calls 17000 traded today and the 32 Calls 13000 traded …………
Damn, that’s big money betting on the upside,,, ,I’m carrying Dec 27 calls amd im not too heavy so may ride it out
Yea for sure…..makes ya wonder right….sold some to reduce risk held a few Dec. Calls from yesterday just for that reason. Nice catch miller! 🙂
OIL Bull Flag………………
Buying XLE 1st. traunche in anticipatition of possible break tomorrow……..
Stop below SAR…………………
Started buying GUSH here.
Hi Alex,
I’m confused about a couple of comments…..
You said that you got a ‘buy signal’ for GDX from a system with 97% accuracy, but, that you “didn’t take it”.
Then, later in the report you stated : “I still expect a bounce for another daily cycle”.
Why wouldn’t you take the trade if a solid indicator, and your opinion, are the same ?
Hi Moondoggie,
The answer is for a couple of reasons-
I do expect another bounce, but doesn’t mean THE lows are in yet, just that I expect a bounce or another daily cycle as I showed in my charts , in the near future.
I also wrote that that indicator doesn’t always call THE low, it calls that GDX will reverse higher than where it is when the signal is triggered. Sometimes that is immediately, other times it involves an undercut low- We have Jackson Hole and probably volatility. As a trader, I will look for an undercut low Friday with divergence in various time frames instead. If we dont drop at all from here Friday, I will still be trading it.
Finally, when I buy that signal, I usually use leverage and go in pretty heavy , because it is so rare. It often marks an ICL, not just a dcl. The timing doesnt seem quite right for an ICL, but at least it should be the dcl. I didnt want to be leveraged before Jackson Hole. On the other hand, I bought AUMN at 71 cents about 15 minutes into the day , and it was up 20%, 8x the amt that NUGT was, so I guess I ended up leveraged : ) I didnt go really heavy with AUMN though, just a nice position.
Thanks for the comprehensive response !
It makes sense now 🙂
Yeah, I was watching AUMN go but didn’t have time at work to make the buy today. Ugh!
You’ll enjoy it more when you’re retired : )
Let’s get energy going again so that can happen earlier in life! 🙂
If GLD can close back inside the BB’s that would be considered a Buy signal……………..
Boy, it’s been challenging days for our miners. my BAA position shrink by 40% in a few days. I’ve held but it requires zen.
Added to TGD yesteday, lowering my ave to .49.
Look the chart
Man, AUMN blew it up today!!
Yeah…I started to get some yesterday at end of day….aghhhhhh!
I think we’ll have another chance before long.
I did grab a NUGT trade yesterday. Small. I’m not adding to core, just a trade for now.